Further complaints about Sam Shamoun’s abusive behaviour – from a Christian

Yesterday I posted a screen print of an email from Yusuf Ismail sadly informing me that Sam Shamoun had not apologized for his offensive language and further evidence that his abusive behaviour continues unchanged. Today Yusuf Ismail sent me the following message: 

Here is Negeen Mayel’s reply and rebuke of Sam Shamoun’s attack of her character, date yesterday! It seems the shameless Shamoun has lost all credibility in the little world he is operating. You are free to discuss this at any time on your blog in so far as it details her censuring him for abusing her.

From: Negeen Mayel [mailto:negeen.m@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 11:10 PM
To: jonathanmclatchie@gmail.com; spotlightonscripture@gmail.com; thecenterforreligiousdebate@reagan.com; Yusuf Ismail
Subject:

Dear Sam,

Please stop talking about me in your emails or responses to others. I understand the Woods are your friends. It’s okay to feel defensive over your friends but being hurtful to others- including myself, is not okay. Please no longer mention me and send emails about me to other people and other Christians or Muslims I just got a forwarded email from some Muslim person and you said some terrible things about my character, even though when you met me I was a teenager and I don’t remember meeting you more than one or two times. I have a right to feel that because of my youth there were instances where I was exploited and taken advantage of by other Christians. I have a right to believe that, I have no wish to slander people or hurt people. I am happy now and moving forward in my life. In fact a lot of this is behind me and it is hurtful and unsettling to receive forwarded emails like the one I received today. Please venture away from bringing me and my experiences up with others. If other people or Muslims ever bring it up then just please tell them that it would be better to discuss the issue with me directly.

 

Thanks Sam,

-Negeen

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Categories: Christian extremism

42 replies

  1. I empathise with Negeen.

    Sam has a bad history with bullying and abusing others. How many times on this blog has he tried to use a case of domestic violence against me? How malicious and evil does a person have to be, to not only mock someone he presumes to be an abuse victim but at the same time to take pride in doing so?

    I think I’ll write an email to Negeen and reach our to her. See, if this were an isolated incident, I’d think he just had a bad attitude. However after more than a decade with his own friends and former colleagues coming together to speak out about his behaviour, this has no doubt established a pattern of abuse. This is why I fear for the safety and well-being of his young children.

    I still recall the incident of one of Sam’s friends, a chronically ill person Skyping me and confiding in me that Sam used to publicly mock him about his illness. Out of care and love, I’m won’t post the name, God alone knows what actions Sam might take against him. What is worrisome though is that Sam is going to speak on behalf of the Woods about their “good treatment” of Negeen. It’s no secret that David himself was a convicted psychopath that almost bludgeoned his own father to death.

    It’s quite difficult to believe that Wood wouldn’t take advantage of a young and vulnerable woman due to his psychological issues and it’s even more difficult to expect Sam to not have partaken in that abuse given her insistence that he’s also doing that behaviour by proxy. I pray that those abused by Sam can one day find peace and I also pray that he’s prevented from further abusing others.

    Regards,
    Br. Ijaz Ahmad.

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  2. I am an agnostic and became an ex-christian due to his insulting behaviour not only towards me but other members including his own family. His constant approach towards people who disagree with him is to threaten them and then if he doesn’t succeed, abuse them. I have close source information that he got into an aggressive tirade with his brother-in-law Sam Gabriel (who happens to be gay). In 2013 I was at a conference where he and david wood spoke. Not only was he rude but on more than one occassion acted rudely towards David Wood who still kow tows to him. His sarcastic childish behaviour was shocking to me in what was supposed to be a professional setting. 2 individuals I know can testify of the fact that he regularly uses the “f- word” in personal conversations. I do believe that he also has personal family problems, but still this is no way to act abusively towards others. He relies primarily on his wife’s income at a salon and not surprisingly has a low self esteem. Men who are not the primary income providers in their homes tend to be self-conscious and want to prove themselves. I met a relative of his SAL shamoun at a gym once (he is a bodybuilder) and I saw aggression right there. Shamoun is a victim of his own delusions and I urge Muslims not to waste too much time over him. He is also bi-polar (in case you guys didn’t know) so, that is a factor that could play a role!

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  3. “Men who are not the primary income providers in their homes tend to be self-conscious and want to prove themselves.”

    That explains.

    Perhaps shameoun need to find a real job? something can count him as the real bread winner in his household. Besides writing silly apologetics materials not only has caused  detrimental effect on his mental but certainly did not earn him respect from his family

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    • In the UK the powers that be have until recently ignored or covered up massive child sexual abuse. In a similar way, the evangelical Christian community have ignored and covered up the systematic abusive behaviour by Shamoun (and others). Witness the recent words of Nabeel Qureshi who said that Sam only showed loving attitudes towards Muslims.

      It is now time the evangelical community admitted it had a serious problem, and line with the child sexual abuse scandal in the UK (and globally with the Catholic Church) put its house in order and deal with abusers such as Sam Shamoun.

      Will the Christian community have the moral courage to act?

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  4. Peter,

    what you said was just hilarious, why would you leave Christianity because of Sam? Come on, this is baloney, make no sense. I don’t think that’s a genuine or a valid reason to leave Christianity. Here is my question, what you said about Sam assuming to be true, are those the qualities of a True Christian?

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    • ‘Respect’, the time has come for the evangelical Christian community to put its house in order. As the Catholic Church has had to do with priests who abuse children evangelicals now must admit there is an institutional tolerance of abusive behaviour and sort itself out. To date it has been in denial about the unacceptable behaviour in its midst.

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  5. PWilliams,

    Why did you turn into a Christianphobe, are you afraid that one day you will become a Christian again? Just curious!

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  6. PWillams,

    Come on, you know better, that’s not a Christian’s behaviour towards the other people. Don’t be naive, as for your question is concerned, Dr. James White as you said in the post rebuked him. My question still remains unanswered.

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    • White’s rebuke was good and necessary but tragically insufficient. Shamoun has ignored it and has not apologised to the offended party. There are numerous other cases of abuse that Shamoun stands accused of.

      The evangelical community has colluded in keeping silence about this for many years. It is now time to put its house in order.

      Agreed?

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  7. PWilliams,

    You are assuming Yusuf Ismail is innocent, as Sam said Yusuf called him a Ba…rd and also other things. Remember Ibn Anwar, he was insulting you, are you going to blame Islam for that? I am not defending Sam neither I am against him.

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  8. Respect don’t straw man me. The question is not about “Christianity”. Its about a certain brand of evangelical fundamentalist hardliner who condemn everybody to hell for not following their irrational beliefs

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  9. Peter, I depend on my wife’s income at a salon? Peter do I dare need to expose your boldfaced lie by having my wife post something here in order to show that you are no Christian, but another hateful, envious individual who is the one that has serious family issues which you project unto others?

    In fact, Peter why don’t email me if you claim to know me and my family so we can see who you really are, unless you want to hide behind your computer screen like the brave man that you are.

    And Williams I will be sharing the emails of those who actually took Negeen in and even sent her off to Bible college so you can see that she isn’t this innocent victim you Muhammadans are trying to make her out to be.

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    • Sam you miss the point. There are a very large number of Christians and Muslims who have horrible stories to tell of your abuse. I am in contact with a number of them. They have not made their terrible experiences public – yet.

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  10. BTW, Peter gave it away with the Sam Gabriel lie. Pete is none other than Ijaz Ahmad, who has nothing better to do than to stalk Christian apologists. He further gave it away by calling my brother Sal, a name he got from his FB page since if Peter really knew my brother he would know what his real name is, More importantly, I NEVER have used the f word in front of anyone, and more over I have NEVER gotten into a tirade with Sam Gabriel.

    Shame on you Paul for condoning such behavior while crying and whining about mine own. Are you now going to rebuke Ijaz for being a lying slandering charlatan masquerading as a supposed former Christian named Pete who supposedly attended one of the conferences that Wood and I taught at?

    I am now going to post Ijaz’s comment for all to see what kind of slandering, dishonest Christophobes you guys truly are. Thanks for the ammo.

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  11. Like I said Williams, thank you for the ammo. The people on my facebook pages truly appreciate it since this exposes your vile, wicked slanderous hearts and hatred for the children God. Keep up the great work! 😉

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    • Sam for the record – I might have same-sex attraction but I do not engage in any sinful acts at all so your accusation is just a cheap shot because you are well aware of this from our previous conversations.

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  12. Hi Sam,

    As much as I dislike you, I’ve got no interest in pretending to be an agnostic, nor a former Christian. I find it quite revolting that due to your blind hatred, you’d equate me with everyone who speaks about you.

    I look forward to your apology and retraction. If I want to tell you about yourself, I’ll gladly let you know it’s from me, I don’t need to hide behind a screen name.

    Regards,
    Br. Ijaz Ahmad.

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  13. Williams, I can tell you that it is because of what he said about Sam Gabriel and Sal, since no one knows about my connection to Sam Gabriel and the only ones who would call my brother Sal are those who got his name from facebook. Nice cover up though, but it ain’t working.

    And you will truly love the emails I will be sharing about Negeen’s behavior and her use and abuse of Christians to get what she wanted, only turn against them when things didn’t go her way. Ask Negeen about George Saieg, MaryJo Sharp, and the Bible college she attended and the havoc she caused there.

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  14. Williams, the time has come for the Muslim community to also clean house and shun you for your slander and hatred of any one who doesn’t think like you, and for your lifestyle that you have admitted to engaging in, since that is one of the few evils that Islam itself doesn’t condone. Therefore, do the right thing if you want to pretend to be a Muslim and break off your relationship with the man you live with, have him find lodging somewhere else, or you move out, otherwise time to shut down your blog seeing how you want people to hold their own accountable for their behavior. Therefore, how much more should you be held accountable for your lewdness and hatred? Even Nabeel saw that there is something abnormal about you, something I have been saying for awhile now.

    Nothing personal, since even though you are a very emotionally disturbed Christophobe I still like you and have pity for you. I highly encourage you to get professional counseling. You owe it to yourself to get better and healthier mentally and emotionally.

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  15. Hi Sam,

    That’s demonstrably false though. You yourself have posted comments about your relationship with Sam G. here on this very blog. So either it is you yourself wrote that comment, or you intentionally lied when you said no one else knows. You made public statements in that regard on this very blog.

    I look forward to your apology and retraction.

    Regards,
    Br. Ijaz Ahmad.

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  16. “Remember Ibn Anwar, he was insulting you, are you going to blame Islam for that?”

    The difference perhaps I and other muslims have reminded Ibn Anwar and he has quickly and publicly apologized for that and taken down all negative comment directed to br. Paul W in his FB page… while in case of abuser shameoun, evangelical christians still deny the problem at all, just like the Catholic Church did with child sex abuses.

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  17. “Peter” you left Christianity because of someone’s behavior? That’s funny dude! You won’t expect us to take you seriously, Do you?

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  18. Williams, I am only going off by what you have written in the past. Not too long ago you posted photos of your trip with your “boyfriend” and even claimed that you had to leave Islam because you couldn’t live up to its demand. Moreover, you can say all you want that you are not engaging in any lewd behavior but if you are still living with the man who was your former boyfriend then you need to be called out on it until you leave your abode or he does. Like I said, you need to live up to your own standards and demands. Therefore, are you still living with your former “boyfriend”, the one who caused you to stumble and fall from the favor of Allah? If so, why?

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  19. Paul,

    Should Sam continue this behaviour, I suggest you ban him again.

    Regards,
    Br. Ijaz Ahmad.

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  20. You are mistaken Sam, I have never said privately or publicly that I wanted to leave islam because of my continuing friendship with my former “boyfriend” (a term I have never used). You have made this up. Do get your facts straight dude.

    If I am successfully living a lifestyle that is not sinful according to the shariah (which by the Grace of God I am) then there is nothing to reproach me for.

    Yes I am still living with my former partner. I have never made a secret of this. But our relationship has always been free of sin since i started to follow God’s path many years ago.

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  21. Williams, you need to read carefully since this is what I said:

    “Williams, I am only going off by what you have written in the past. Not too long ago you posted photos of your trip with your “boyfriend” AND EVEN CLAIMED THAT YOU HAD TO LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE YOU COULDN’T LIVE UP TO ITS DEMAND…”

    Now be so kind and reveal what was it that caused you to walk away from your deen, albeit temporarily? You think everyone is as naive as you and that your homosexual desires had nothing to do with it. You really think anyone is going to buy that lie?

    Therefore, what was it that made you turn away from Allah and his profit?

    More importantly, living with your former partner is like a man living with a former girlfriend whom he claims are now just just friends who do not engage in fornication anymore. How stupid do you think people are? Moreover, which Islamic country where the Sharia is implemented would allow you to continue living with your supposed former lover? Name one for me.

    Like I said, time to live up to your own standards and either shut down your blog for being an inconsistent, hypocritical Christophobe. Or tell your lover to leave the premises or, better yet, you back up and leave. After all, don’t you have faith in your Allah to provide for you for doing the right thing? Or, is Peter a.k.a. Ijaz Ahmad really speaking about you when he slanderously accused me of living off my wife’s income? Are you that dependent on your boyfriend’s income that you are too afraid to have him leave the premises since you have no hope that Allah and his profit will care for you? I don’t blame you since I have no hope in them either! 😉

    This is what you get for trying to slander me. I hope you enjoyed a taste of your own vile medicine.

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    • Sam

      I decided when I became a Muslim that I would not hide the fact that I have same sex attraction. I wanted liberals and secularists (be they Christian or Muslim) to see that an adult convert to Islam with SSA could freely chose to live according to God’s law (meaning acceptance that all sexual acts outside of heterosexual marriage are haram). Also I wanted to educate any people who ‘hate gays’ that we are just ordinary people, not child molesters or rapists.

      I expected to be abused for going public but I felt it was worth it to achieve in some small way my goals to inspire other people with SSA to embrace Islam and to demonstrate that we are just regular people not monsters.

      To my surprise I discovered that 99% of Muslims have not abused me (yep, one did!).

      Sadly most of the abuse comes from fundamentalist Christians like Sam Shamoum who just will not believe that I have chosen to live this way, and that I must be lying.

      So yes (for the umpteenth time) I still live with my former partner. I have never hidden this. Our friendship is very strong and mutually supportive. He is a Christian and as such we share the same moral code.

      Sam’s disbelief is his problem not mine. Fortunately I am accountable only to Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala) who sees all things and knows the truth.

      Ameen.

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  22. Eric,

    The difference is that, He insulted Paul on this blog and he didn’t apologise on this blog, what publicly? Spare me your nonsense.

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  23. BTW Williams, hope you don’t mind but I am now going to post your comment where you admit you to still be living with your former homosexual lover so we can see how many people are going buy your fairytale that you are no longer intimate with him, but that your relationship is purely and strictly platonic. Like I said Williams, thanks for the ammo! Much appreciated!

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  24. PWilliams,

    Yes, you are right everyone answers to their god, that being said, you cannot blame people for doubting your platonic relationship with your pal who you once were intimate with.

    Have you heard about Ross and Rachel?

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    • people can have their doubts if they wish – but they should not call me a liar publicly as Sam has done. But it is in his nature to be abusive towards others as we have seen.

      In fact chaste friendships between people with SSA are surprisingly common I have discovered.

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  25. Williams, you still don’t get it. No one condemns you for struggling with same sex attraction, since every human being on the planet struggles with some type of sin or another that they have to fight and oppress. Rather, it is your hypocrisy of still living with the man whom you fornicated with, instead of doing the honorable thing of having him leave your premises or vice versa. So stop appealing to emotion and stop with the red herrings. Would you tolerate a Muslim or even a Christian man still living with the woman that he has been sleeping with for years just because he claims that they are nothing more than friends? Yes or no?

    Moreover, no Muslim has abused you YET because they want to put on the facade that they are a loving community. Like I said, name for me one Muslim country that truly implements sharia that would tolerate you living with your former gay lover AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT! Name just one for me please! And try living with your former lover in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan etc., and see how long you live. Thankfully, no truly committed Bible believing Christian who follows the message of the NT seriously would ever seek to kill you, whereas a truly devout Muslim has no choice but to do so.

    Until then, do the honorable thing and shut down your site since you are no Muslim, but a vile, inconsistent hypocritical Christophobe whose only purpose in life is to harass and assault Christians who are exposing the lies and falsehood of Muhammad.

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    • Sam

      You are quite right I still don’t understand you.

      Firstly, you accuse me of hypocrisy. What is hypocrisy? Presumably you mean that I claim to a set of values (sex for heterosexual marriage only) but I do not live by them?

      But this is false. I do live by the values I hold to be true and have done so for many years. There is no honour or any purpose in our separation as there is much value in terms of the support, companionship and friendship in our relationship.

      Your comparison to a heterosexual couple who used to sleep together is interesting, but I don’t think it has a direct bearing on my particular circumstances. Why would a Christian still live with the woman that he has been sleeping with for years ‘just because he claims that they are nothing more than friends’? Makes no sense to me. Perhaps they should get married. Individually they can find sexual fulfillments with other partners. Something I cannot do.

      We will have to disagree about this.

      Actually one Muslim has abused me (check my comment above). However most abuse has come from Christians as I have said. From people just like you Sam. Here in London there is no ‘facade that they [Muslims] are a loving community’ as you claim. You have never been here Sam. I have lived here all my life. Most Muslims are just decent people and don’t bother others.

      I have never been to a Muslim country so I cannot answer your question, but historically many Muslim countries have been very tolerant of all sorts people as long as they are discreet and do not offend against public decency.

      You claim that ‘a truly devout Muslim has no choice but to do so’ – that is to kill me. But this is absurd. I know lots of devout Muslims including some excellent salafi brothers. There is no mandate in Islam to kill me. The shariah is concerned with public law. Two men living in the same property is not contrary to any law I am aware of.

      So sorry to disappoint you, but I won’t be closing down this blog. But the fact that you repeatedly say that I should is most revealing Sam – about you.

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  26. Wow sam has really lost the plot,how many accounts does this guy have? Probably the reason he thinks that peter fellow is ijaz, is because he has carried out deceptive tactics like that against muslims. I think he is kind of upset,he has been in the Islamaphobia game a long time,before it became very profitable, and know he watches as people make millions from spilling the same bile he spills and he hasn’t earned a dollar (well maybe a couple hundred dollars from lowkey conferences and speaking in churches were the only attendants are people who dream of the glory days of the south),but not the millions raked in by the likes of geller,spencer,the shoebats et al ,that must really sting eh?

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  27. Naughty naughty Sam – you know how I just hate it when you copy and paste vast tracks of text on my blog. Go and dump elsewhere 😉

    Remember the topic of this thread:

    Further complaints about Sam Shamoun’s abusive behaviour – from a Christian

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  28. Btw my name is not ijaz ahmed and I cannot reveal my real name as the shamoun family know me! I didn’t leave christianity just because of sam. I became disenfranchise with stupid religion. Period! Sam relies on his wife’s income. She works in a salon with his gay brother-in-law. Sam gabriel does gay sex. Sam won’t speak out against it but will attack the shoebats on homosexuality! Sal is someone I met at gold’s gym some years back. That’s his nickname! He is intimidating. The males in the family are not pleasnat and I wouldn’t get into an argument with them. Sam has no college qualification on religion. He is not educated as well. (Nothing wrong with that, but be humble). Sam is BI POLAR.. I dare him to come and deny this. He also has physical health issues. Recently him and all his family members were sick! He is not employed but relies on donations. His wife supports him. I Dare him to deny this and he spends his time insulting others. He once taught I think a bible class but no longer. He is mainly online, does no work, and the real income comes from his wife! What a shame!…however Let’s GET BACK to the main issue…,negeen mayel claims she was exploited by christians, and sam starts abusing her left, right and centre! Is this. Right! She tells him to stop and he doesn’t and says he will continue. What a low-life this scum is! Really muslims_ this guy is a skunk! Ignore him! He is someone whose wife supports him! He will not confrotn his brother-in-law on his gay sex with his b.f. This chap has no values at all! Who in their rt mind spends all his time online? Someone who is bored, unemployed, supported by his wife and uneducated. HE ABUSES a WOMAN. This says it all, after that woman said she was EXPLOITEd by his friend… Shame on this fool_no wonder ppl like me turn away from religion! I don’t want to reveal my name because I know what sam is capable of doing! And I don’t wish to be harmed!

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  29. I forgot to mention that Sam is also a narcissist. Check his behaviour not only personally but one can pick it up on his videos_he is very egotistical! And cannot take any personal criticism. I once was with David and sam was (well according to sam) “playfullyt” ridiculing david all the time. Guys david is not too much of a bad guy personally_i don’t believe in his religion anylonger but he is polite personally. All the time sam was around he was passing insulting remarks_which he saw as jokes. I was a bit taken aback. He personally thinks david doesn’t know as much as him. Sam also belives he is the best and no one will debate him because he is so good_maybe you guys need to embarrass him_ still he is very very aggressive and I am afraid to give my name out. If he won’t get physical he will go all out to get at me emotionally!

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  30. OK folks, that is enough. I had hoped Sam would show some decency and repent of his sinful behaviour as James White told him to. It would take a miracle to save Sam from himself and safeguard others from his abusive behaviour. Let’s pray that the miracle happens soon…

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