The Gospels are like Bilal: however hard you torture them, they will only say: ‘One! One!’



Categories: Abdal-Hakim Murad, Bible, God, Quotation

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  1. I could noot rеѕist commenting. Well written!

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  2. “The Gospels are like Bilal: however hard you torture them, they will only say: ‘One! One!’”

    LOL!! They say far more than that.

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  3. Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) said that the Greatest Commandment is Tauhid (to affirm only One God) with all your heart and mind.

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  4. Of course! there is only One true God. Mark 12:29, John 5:44, John 17:3 – ( see also I Corinthians 8:6; I Timothy 2:5)
    Christians agree with that, that the Gospels say: “there is only one God”.
    All Trinitarians agree with that; and the doctrine of the Trinity teaches Monotheism, that there is only one God who created all things, is Sovereign, Holy and Pure, eternal, invisible, Spirit, and Love.

    Jesus never said there are two or three or four gods. Have you not read the gospels?

    And Trinitarians never said that there are two or three or four gods.

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    • Jesus says the one God is one Lord.

      Trinitarians say the one God is multiple Lords, three or four at least.

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    • One God in three persons.

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    • Lol. Guess what.

      Muslims say the one God is one Lord.

      Jesus says the one God is one Lord.

      Ken Temple says the one God is three Lords (at least. Sometimes 4, whenever needed)

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    • Ken Temple

      You said;
      One God in three persons.

      I say;

      “You alone is Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9

      3 persons loving each other from eternity are not alone but 3. Yahweh said He is One, Only and Alone.

      Ken, you, Rastafarians, Mormons etc. believe in multiple and 3 persons as God but Yahweh never said He is 3 persons.

      Even Jesus never said he is 3 persons except Trinitarians saying that.

      Thanks.

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    • Jesus in Matthew 28:19; other Scripture in 2 Cor. 13:14 and more.

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    • No Mormons believe in an infinite number of eternal gods who were physical first. they believe God Elohim was a man and then evolved into a god. Blasphemy! They believe God had sex with Mary. Blasphemy! Quit repeating your stupid statements about Mormons and Rastafarians – they have nothing to do with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.

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  5. No, one God in three persons.

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    • yet you believe each ‘person’ is fully God. 1+1+1=3.

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    • by nature / being God is one, but not by persons, there is only one being that is God. the person or hypostasis ‘υποστασις (that which exists/stands (stasis στασις + under (hupo ‘υπο ) . The math is not applicable since there is only one God/ one being/ one substance

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    • so you don’t believe Jesus was fully God? ditto the HS and the Father?! Heresy!

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    • Jesus and the HS are fully God by nature/substance/essence; but distinguished from the Father by person.
      “the Word was with God the Father” ( 2 Persons in eternity past; HS not mentioned here, but is mentioned later, especially John 14, 15, 16)
      ‘and the Word was God” (by nature and substance/essences)

      You even agreed with me years ago that the Greek text of John 1:1 teaches the orthodox position and not the Sabellian/Modalist (3 modes, masks) position nor the Arian position (subordinationism/Unitarianism) nor Tri-theism (3 gods).

      http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2012/01/muslim-agrees-with-greek-of-john-11.html

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    • Paul

      “yet you believe each ‘person’ is fully God. 1+1+1=3.”

      Come on now. Are each of your god’s + or – 99 attributes fully god?

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    • of course not. We believe – like Jesus – that God is “one Lord”. You believe in three Lords. Do the maths.

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    • Paul

      “of course not. We believe – like Jesus – that God is “one Lord”. You believe in three Lords. Do the maths.”

      It doesn’t make sense. So none of your god’s attributes/personalities/personas are eternal? He possesses finite qualities? His mercy is finite? His oneness is finite? If his “oneness” is not fully him, then what in the universe are you bowing down to? What kind of “it” is it?

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    • You are evading the consequences of the trinity deception.

      It means multiple Lords. According to Jesus the most important point is to realize God is one Lord.

      You fail on this basic fundamental level. Everything else you preach is built on – nothing, really.

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “You are evading the consequences of the trinity deception.

      It means multiple Lords. According to Jesus the most important point is to realize God is one Lord.

      You fail on this basic fundamental level. Everything else you preach is built on – nothing, really.”

      Have you become a unitarian christian? The quran teaches you nothing about the entity you worship so you have to look to outside sources to get an idea of who it might be.

      Your religion’s doctrine claims that your god’s “oneness” is only an attribute – which according to Intellect and Paul W may be finite and your god’s essence is also finite since his attributes are not infinite. If they were infinite, they would be things separate from your god since the claim is that his attributes are not him, yet they possess the divine quality of uncreated infinite existence. That is polytheism.

      The trinity is strongly supported in the NT whether it makes sense to you or not. That isn’t our problem! LOL!!!

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    • D laughing your highway to hell

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “D laughing your highway to hell”

      That’s your answer?! That’s pathetic. So you agree that your religion’s concept of god is completely incomprehensible and confusing? Or don’t you – just like the other 1.5 billion or so – want to talk about it?

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    • Yes that’s my answer. You fail to fulfill the most important commandment according to Jesus alayhi salam. May God have mercy on you and guide you to the straight path.

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “Yes that’s my answer. You fail to fulfill the most important commandment according to Jesus alayhi salam. May God have mercy on you and guide you to the straight path.”

      Which jesus are you talking about? The jesus in the quran whose life and ministry are never retold, or the jesus of the bible which muslims say is corrupted? Where in the quran does your jesus talk about the greatest commandment? While you’re at it, why don’t you go ahead and explain your doctrine of your god and his 99 finite attributes?

      And god has already taken mercy on you, may you decide to accept it and be redeemed.

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  6. D,

    The Qur’an does not say that God has 99 attributes.

    The Qur’an mentions many attributes of God, that He is all-knowledgable (Al-Aleem), Loving (Al-Barr), all-wise (Al-Hakeem), all-powerful (Al-Qadeer), The Truth (Al-Haqq), etc…

    Do you deny these attributes?

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    • D

      Christians confuse an attribute to a person. A person or a being is not an attribute/feature/characteristics/qualities/personality/name etc.

      Every person is a being either a divine being, angelic being, satanic being, human being etc. The divine being is 1 and cannot be 3 persons because each person is a being. So 3 divine persons are 3 divine beings.bla

      Ken Temple said a man is one person but God can be 3 persons. Oh yes Mr. Ken do not close the Pandora’s box, in that case God can be 4, 5, 6, and multiple persons as well. Do not blame the Mormons, Hindus, Rastafarians and other idol worshipers because you believe God can be multiple persons which is not in the Bible.

      Thanks.

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    • according to the dictionary the plural of ‘persons’ is ‘people’. So God is three people!

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    • Omer

      “Do you deny these attributes?”

      From the perspective of islamic theology I deny their significance – they don’t mean anything. Your god’s attribute/personality/character/action of mercy does not mean he is merciful – if you believe that, then you are committing shirk. It means he simply chose to act in a merciful way at some point for reasons unknown – not that he acts from a merciful nature.

      This means that if your god’s “mercy” (or what other BS attributes he claims) is merely an act, then who or what do you worship? Is it good, is it evil, is it even one? Even it’s “oneness” is an attribute but it cannot be his nature because to define him so is to limit him to the simplicity of your own limited human mind and this leads to shirk. So, even according to your own theology, even your god’s absolute oneness is not something that you can be certain of. And if you cannot be certain of that, then you can’t claim to worship the god of the bible.

      Intellect

      “Christians confuse an attribute to a person. A person or a being is not an attribute/feature/characteristics/qualities/personality/name etc.”

      The confusion stems from the doctrine itself – it is just confusing. Your god has 99 personalities but none them reveal his nature – which means that his attributes mask his nature, not reveal it. With this doctrine you cannot possibly say that your god is a “good” entity – for all we know he might be evil.

      Your god’s attributes are meaningless if they don’t reveal his nature and so it is just plain dumb to g-keep going on about how your god had 99 attributes – something he never actually claimed for himself anyway.

      “Ken Temple said a man is one person but God can be 3 persons. ”

      I don’t want to speak for Ken, but what he might be trying to get across is that your god is made in your human image. If we as humans are unitarian persons, then whatever being is the only necessary being must have a different capability – i.e. be capable of being more than unitarian, otherwise, he is just like you, and cows, and other animals.

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    • Paul

      “according to the dictionary the plural of ‘persons’ is ‘people’. So God is three people!”

      Which dictionary? According to the dictionary, god can be merely a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as deity who had power over human fortunes – and there could be dozens of them.

      Your point is silly.

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    • my point is lexicographically correct. Grow up

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    • Paul

      “my point is lexicographically correct.”

      So is mine.

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  7. Trinitarians will tell you “That’s not what we believe” but the same Trinitarians will accuse the Mormons, Rastafarians, Hindus etc. as idolaters because of worshiping persons, people and Multiple people.

    Thanks.

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  8. D

    You said;
    The confusion stems from the doctrine itself – it is just confusing. Your god has 99 personalities but none them reveal his nature – which means that his attributes mask his nature, not reveal it. With this doctrine you cannot possibly say that your god is a “good” entity – for all we know he might be evil.

    Your god’s attributes are meaningless if they don’t reveal his nature and so it is just plain dumb to g-keep going on about how your god had 99 attributes – something he never actually claimed for himself anyway.

    I say;

    Nature means features/characteristics etc.

    https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=TjhPV7z5M-iX8gSsobyABQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=what+is+nature

    What nature do you want God to reveal when God has revealed his nature/features. Don’t you understand English language?

    You said;
    “Ken Temple said a man is one person but God can be 3 persons. ”

    I don’t want to speak for Ken, but what he might be trying to get across is that your god is made in your human image. If we as humans are unitarian persons, then whatever being is the only necessary being must have a different capability – i.e. be capable of being more than unitarian, otherwise, he is just like you, and cows, and other animals.pa

    I say;

    different capability? Capable of more than Trinitarian God will be ok for Emperor Haile Selaissie of Rastafarians capability of Sai Baba as incarnate God-Man Hindu God and capability of being Mormons multi personal God which shrinks when someone dies and expand when someone is born.

    Your Trinitarian God is limited to 3 persons and does not have the capability to be 2 persons. Thant is incapability on the part of the Trinitarian God.

    God said He is One, Only and Alone in the Bible and full stop, period, (.), stop there.

    Thanks.

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    • Intellect

      “What nature do you want God to reveal when God has revealed his nature/features. Don’t you understand English language?”

      I understand the English language pretty well – I don’t understand your confusing, contradictory, and ill-conceived theology.

      So now you are saying that your god is not transcendent? His essence can be grasped by human minds? Your theology denies that his essence can be comprehended by humans – which means his attributes reveal nothing about his essence and are merely actions, not traits or even characteristics of his essence.

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  9. D

    You said;
    So now you are saying that your god is not transcendent? His essence can be grasped by human minds? Your theology denies that his essence can be comprehended by humans – which means his attributes reveal nothing about his essence and are merely actions, not traits or even characteristics of his essence.

    I say;
    You forgot you believed God(Jesus) was grabbed, grasped and beaten to death by the Roman Soldiers? You forgot you believed God died?

    Thanks.

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    • Intellect

      “You forgot you believed God(Jesus) was grabbed, grasped and beaten to death by the Roman Soldiers? You forgot you believed God died?”

      And? That is consistent with christian belief. You have completely contradicted your own religion’s theology by claiming that your god’s personalities are his essence. Geez, you guys just don’t get your own doctrines do you? LOL!!!

      Intellect, what you have written makes you a SHIRKER! You do not and cannot know your god’s essence because your religion says that you cannot know it.

      Whatever your god’s 99 attributes are, they have to be eternal which means that these personalities of your god are not even close to revealing his essence and yet they share the quality of infiniteness with your deity. In other words, they are separate, infinite things, objects or whatever that co-exist with your god, and are uncreated by him.

      LOL!!! Welcome to islamic polytheism!!

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  10. D
    Whatever your god’s 99 attributes are, they have to be eternal which means that these personalities of your god are not even close to revealing his essence and yet they share the quality of infiniteness with your deity. In other words, they are separate, infinite things, objects or whatever that co-exist with your god, and are uncreated by him.

    LOL!!! Welcome to islamic polytheism!!

    I say;
    Attributes like mercy, love, grace etc. are infinite things? What things? attributes do not have weight or occupy space. Attributes by themselves are not persons/being/man/God etc. Attributes are not things and are not substance.

    Thanks.

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    • Intellect

      “Attributes like mercy, love, grace etc. are infinite things? What things? attributes do not have weight or occupy space. Attributes by themselves are not persons/being/man/God etc. Attributes are not things and are not substance.”

      LOL!! It just gets worse.

      So your god’s attributes are not infinite? Your god’s attributes are limited? They are finite? Your god’s oneness attribute is finite?

      Remember that you have claimed – by way of shirk – that your god’s attributes are his essence.Now you are claiming that his attributes/essences are not infinite. You worship a being whose essence is finite.

      Even you are confused by your religion’s theology. LOL!!!

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  11. I said attributes are not God persons or beings.

    Thanks.

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    • D is having basic comprehension problems.

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    • Paul W

      “D is having basic comprehension problems.”

      I am having comprehension problems but only because your doctrines of tawhid and your god’s 99 whatevers are incomprehensible.

      You guys have just admitted that your god’s essences are finite and you’ve claimed that your god’s attributes are not him, meaning that if they do exist as infinite qualities, they are possess the divine quality of being uncreated and separate to your god.

      And to top it all off, nowhere in your holy book does your god even come close to saying that he has 99 attributes or that these attributes are his essence. Your theology is completely self-contradictory and incomprehensible.

      Intellect

      “I said attributes are not God persons or beings.”

      Your god’s attributes are meaningless – the men who made up your religion made your concept of god so incomprehensible (like modern-day new age gurus) and confusing that no muslim is able to explain it without tripping over themselves. LOL!!!

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  12. He does not understand English language either. Ken Temple knows what I mean and so he will not respond. D is confused.

    Thanks.

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  13. Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised; His greatness and nature is unsearchable.
    Psalm 145:3

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