This person is evil. That is clear from his latest video.
The problem with ex-Muslims and other haters of Islam is that they accept all Ahadith as true. There should be torture for everyone who represents Islam in a wrong way. Let’s not compromise. Stand for killing the apostates. It is right and only just.
“There is no firm ground for the claim that apostasy is in itself a mandatory fixed punishment (hadd), namely capital punishment.
The preponderance of evidence from both the Qur’an and Sunnah indicates that there is no firm ground for the claim that apostasy is in itself a mandatory fixed punishment (hadd), namely capital punishment.
References to early capital punishment for apostasy were not due to apostasy itself, but rather other capital crimes that were coupled with it.”
A person is either a Muslim, a Dhimmi or a non-Muslim with temporary contract to stay. So a former Muslim simply continuing to live like before is not an option.
Apostasy being punishable by death for itself is clearly ruled by every scholar ever. The Hanafi madhhab only says that the femal apostate is not killed but jailed. This rule of the Hanafi madhhab is not valid for most cases in this modern age. Female apostates are to be killed too.
I know Asharis Assemble. I have been there a couple of weeks ago and they banned me. They are followers of Atabek Shukurov, one of the biggest apostates existing.
But I am NO TROLL and I am no ex-Muslim. Calling me an ex-Muslim is sick kmak.
Yes I have been there also before under other names but I am not a troll. What is a troll? I am not trolling but having a different opinion than these apostate modernists. They have a problem with Islam and I also stopped even reading it. It just makes me angry. Therefore I am commenting here.
You should not read anything from there kmak. I recommend you sunnianswers and iloveimamrabbani blogs.
I don’t think you read the whole article, how did you miss this :
“More significant is the fact that a case of apostasy was reported in the most authentic book of Hadith (Bukhari) reported by more than one reliable chain of narration (stronger isnad). The following includes a translation of the most central hadiths:
Jabir ibn `Abdullah narrated that a Bedouin pledged allegiance to the Apostle of Allah for Islam (i.e. accepted Islam) and then the Bedouin got fever whereupon he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) “cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. He (the Bedouin) came to him (again) saying, “Cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. Then he (the Bedouin) left (Medina). Allah’s Apostle said, “Madinah is like a pair of bellows (furnace): it expels its impurities and brightens and clear its good.
The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) himself did not carry out a punishment in any authentic hadith. His action takes priority over words.”
Therefore, it is very clear to me the capital punishment is not merely for renouncing Islam. Dr Badawi contends only if the apostates wage war against Islam then capital punishment should be imposed.
Killing an apostate in this age make no sense to me at all, as long as a person is alive, he can return to Islam, even second before he/she dies (I mean a natural death). This is just!
Islam was partial back then it might have made sense, but capital punishment for leaving Islam in this period is out of the question.
BTW KMAK, I appreciate your willingness to silence and censure this crazed maniacs like Nadir who are primed for ISIS. And I also appreciate you and the others to condemn the acts of these filthy murdering agents of Satan called ISIS. Keep it up!
Wow!!! Who would have thought Sam Shamoun would say something nice, I didn’t! Hope it is coming from the heart. If it is then good on you, Sam Shamoun!
He is doing greater damage to Islam and the Muslim attempts of defending the indefensible and morally questionable aspects of Muhammad’s life than we ever could! The guy even beat me to it since I am already finishing an article on this subject.
This person is evil. That is clear from his latest video.
The problem with ex-Muslims and other haters of Islam is that they accept all Ahadith as true. There should be torture for everyone who represents Islam in a wrong way. Let’s not compromise. Stand for killing the apostates. It is right and only just.
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or you could keep your dumb opinion to yourself. How about you disappear, dumbos?
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“There should be torture for everyone who represents Islam in a wrong way”
All right then how should we torture you any suggestion, knucklehead?
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“There should be torture for everyone who represents Islam in a wrong way.”
Reading your comments counts for torture
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“There is no firm ground for the claim that apostasy is in itself a mandatory fixed punishment (hadd), namely capital punishment.
The preponderance of evidence from both the Qur’an and Sunnah indicates that there is no firm ground for the claim that apostasy is in itself a mandatory fixed punishment (hadd), namely capital punishment.
References to early capital punishment for apostasy were not due to apostasy itself, but rather other capital crimes that were coupled with it.”
Read more@ http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2007/03/apostasy-dr-jamal-badawi.html
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A person is either a Muslim, a Dhimmi or a non-Muslim with temporary contract to stay. So a former Muslim simply continuing to live like before is not an option.
Apostasy being punishable by death for itself is clearly ruled by every scholar ever. The Hanafi madhhab only says that the femal apostate is not killed but jailed. This rule of the Hanafi madhhab is not valid for most cases in this modern age. Female apostates are to be killed too.
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Nadir is probably the ex-Muslim troll from asharisassemble.
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agreed. He is clearly a troll.
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I know Asharis Assemble. I have been there a couple of weeks ago and they banned me. They are followers of Atabek Shukurov, one of the biggest apostates existing.
But I am NO TROLL and I am no ex-Muslim. Calling me an ex-Muslim is sick kmak.
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Why is Atabek an apostate?
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Yep. You are the same troll from asharisassemble that keeps getting banned.
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Should I ban him from here too?
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Yes I have been there also before under other names but I am not a troll. What is a troll? I am not trolling but having a different opinion than these apostate modernists. They have a problem with Islam and I also stopped even reading it. It just makes me angry. Therefore I am commenting here.
You should not read anything from there kmak. I recommend you sunnianswers and iloveimamrabbani blogs.
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Paul, you are not that kind of person that does not allow different opinions. I think that I am quite moderate when discussing.
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Your views are crude
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Yes Paul. You should ban Nadir.
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But I am open for discussion. I am not bigoted.
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Yes you are. You are just like ISIS
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I agree with Bro Kmak ban that loony!
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To make him think is more helpful than banning. I’m not sure though if there is something reasonable left.
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I don’t think you read the whole article, how did you miss this :
“More significant is the fact that a case of apostasy was reported in the most authentic book of Hadith (Bukhari) reported by more than one reliable chain of narration (stronger isnad). The following includes a translation of the most central hadiths:
Jabir ibn `Abdullah narrated that a Bedouin pledged allegiance to the Apostle of Allah for Islam (i.e. accepted Islam) and then the Bedouin got fever whereupon he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) “cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. He (the Bedouin) came to him (again) saying, “Cancel my pledge.” But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. Then he (the Bedouin) left (Medina). Allah’s Apostle said, “Madinah is like a pair of bellows (furnace): it expels its impurities and brightens and clear its good.
The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) himself did not carry out a punishment in any authentic hadith. His action takes priority over words.”
Therefore, it is very clear to me the capital punishment is not merely for renouncing Islam. Dr Badawi contends only if the apostates wage war against Islam then capital punishment should be imposed.
Also, watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp9K3qlcE4I
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Killing an apostate in this age make no sense to me at all, as long as a person is alive, he can return to Islam, even second before he/she dies (I mean a natural death). This is just!
Islam was partial back then it might have made sense, but capital punishment for leaving Islam in this period is out of the question.
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Williams, this guy is on a roll! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywmAyXVuYwk
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Same payroll as you?
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Shamoun, get a life. Seriously.
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KMAK, I love you too bro!
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BTW KMAK, I appreciate your willingness to silence and censure this crazed maniacs like Nadir who are primed for ISIS. And I also appreciate you and the others to condemn the acts of these filthy murdering agents of Satan called ISIS. Keep it up!
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Wow!!! Who would have thought Sam Shamoun would say something nice, I didn’t! Hope it is coming from the heart. If it is then good on you, Sam Shamoun!
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WOW Williams! Is this guy on a roll or what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vTuIQu8tcU
He is doing greater damage to Islam and the Muslim attempts of defending the indefensible and morally questionable aspects of Muhammad’s life than we ever could! The guy even beat me to it since I am already finishing an article on this subject.
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