The original Jewish Christians were Muslims in the spiritual sense of submitting their wills to God and following all his messengers. The Jewish beliefs in Christ, centered around the Church of Jerusalem, were later drowned out by Pauline Gentile Christianity. The Qur’an preserves and continues the original Jewish Christian belief. While Muhammad was the spiritual successor to that belief, he was also the first Muslim in Islam as it came to be known to us historically.
Equivocation fallacy. Pagans submit their wills to their chosen god or group of gods too, are they muslims as well?
“While Muhammad was the spiritual successor to that belief, he was also the first Muslim in Islam as it came to be known to us historically.”
The quran says that mohammed was the “first muslim that came to be known to us historically”? The quran is confused about who the first muslim was – it could have been any number of people since it claims that several different people were the first muslims.
If allah does not even know who the first muslim was, why should we believe what he says about the first christians?
Trey,
There is no fallacy of equivocation here. If anything YOU are engaging in such a fallacy by extending the meaning of “Muslim” to pagans and idolaters.The Qur’an clearly defines the term “Muslim” makes clear that those who submit their will to the one true Unitarian God are Muslims while Pagan idolaters are not.
The Qur’an speaks of Muslims and Islam in two ways. One is in a spiritual way in reference to those who have submitted their will to the One God throughout history, and the other in way recognizes the revelatory continuity which culminated in what know as historical Islam today.
In a spiritual sense anyone who submits their will to God is a Muslim.
In a religious sense not so much and neither were the Nazarenes. They didn’t pray 5 times a day or make pilgrimages to Mecca.
I mean that of an islamic viewpoint there’s no problem to accept such similarities.
It is possible that these similarities go back to the 1th century, to the Proto-Christians, who weren’t influenced by hellenistic ideas (or hellenistic judaism) or Paul.
Maybe the Ebionites/Nazarenes etc. of later time were the most conseratives among all Christian groups regarding preserving these archaic christian teachings.
But too bad the New Testament is full of hellenitsic influence and in general the sources are to thin to make a concrete conclusion.
However, we must also know that after the 5th century there’s no mention of these groups anymore, at least in Palestine,Syria and Mesopotamia (Arabia?).
I wish Saudi Arabia would finally allow more archaeological actvities (exspecially in the Hijaz region), so we can get more information of its history.
“I wish Saudi Arabia would finally allow more archaeological actvities (exspecially in the Hijaz region), so we can get more information of its history.”
Yes I agree too!
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The shirt answer is no, they were not muslims. Mohammed was the first muslim – unless whoever wroote that blogpost knows something allah does not.
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What have you got against shirts dude?
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Don’t get shirty.
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The original Jewish Christians were Muslims in the spiritual sense of submitting their wills to God and following all his messengers. The Jewish beliefs in Christ, centered around the Church of Jerusalem, were later drowned out by Pauline Gentile Christianity. The Qur’an preserves and continues the original Jewish Christian belief. While Muhammad was the spiritual successor to that belief, he was also the first Muslim in Islam as it came to be known to us historically.
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Equivocation fallacy. Pagans submit their wills to their chosen god or group of gods too, are they muslims as well?
“While Muhammad was the spiritual successor to that belief, he was also the first Muslim in Islam as it came to be known to us historically.”
The quran says that mohammed was the “first muslim that came to be known to us historically”? The quran is confused about who the first muslim was – it could have been any number of people since it claims that several different people were the first muslims.
If allah does not even know who the first muslim was, why should we believe what he says about the first christians?
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Trey,
There is no fallacy of equivocation here. If anything YOU are engaging in such a fallacy by extending the meaning of “Muslim” to pagans and idolaters.The Qur’an clearly defines the term “Muslim” makes clear that those who submit their will to the one true Unitarian God are Muslims while Pagan idolaters are not.
The Qur’an speaks of Muslims and Islam in two ways. One is in a spiritual way in reference to those who have submitted their will to the One God throughout history, and the other in way recognizes the revelatory continuity which culminated in what know as historical Islam today.
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In a spiritual sense anyone who submits their will to God is a Muslim.
In a religious sense not so much and neither were the Nazarenes. They didn’t pray 5 times a day or make pilgrimages to Mecca.
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There are indeed some quite interesting similarities between Judeo-Christians and us Muslims, even though we don’t know much about them.
Is that not the reason why a lot of scholars try to prove that Islam emerged out of Judeo-Christians?
But is not rather the reason that these J.-Chr. preversed the most of Jesus (as) true revealed religion than any other Christian group?
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I agree but didn’t quite get the last sentence.
Can you explain in better English? (No offence)
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Sorry for my bad English.
I mean that of an islamic viewpoint there’s no problem to accept such similarities.
It is possible that these similarities go back to the 1th century, to the Proto-Christians, who weren’t influenced by hellenistic ideas (or hellenistic judaism) or Paul.
Maybe the Ebionites/Nazarenes etc. of later time were the most conseratives among all Christian groups regarding preserving these archaic christian teachings.
But too bad the New Testament is full of hellenitsic influence and in general the sources are to thin to make a concrete conclusion.
However, we must also know that after the 5th century there’s no mention of these groups anymore, at least in Palestine,Syria and Mesopotamia (Arabia?).
I wish Saudi Arabia would finally allow more archaeological actvities (exspecially in the Hijaz region), so we can get more information of its history.
God knows best.
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Thanks for explaining
“I wish Saudi Arabia would finally allow more archaeological actvities (exspecially in the Hijaz region), so we can get more information of its history.”
Yes I agree too!
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The original Arab Muslims were…pagans
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Amazing !
I think Dr Robert Eisenman has the same view based on his researches.
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You may watch his view here for those who are interested
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great video!
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Thanks Abdullah! for the clip.
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