Something to think about

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  1. John 5 says: ““Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.”
    That’s probably why the trinity is one of the most confusing concepts to wrap one’s mind around, how the son can not know something, and yet the father can show him all that he does. Somehow, the father and the son are one and that makes it a difficult argument to make – that the son doesn’t know something because God shows him all that he does.

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  2. Before someone says ‘jesus raised people from the dead’ etc.God does those miracles through jesus.

    Acts 2:22
    Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.

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  3. Also,i still need someone to explain to me why a fully God is praying to another fully God,and was begging God to save him from the cross.

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    • 1 person , 2 natures was praying to 2 persons with divine nature – 1 person.

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    • fully god and fully human = 1 person

      was praying to another fully god which is 2nd person.

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    • Hashim

      As a human being, jesus was the perfect example of how humans should be, thus, he prayed. No mystery here and certainly no reason to deny his divinity.

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    • You believe Jesus is God. Odd that he felt the need to pray to himself.

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    • That’s a facile observation. As a human jesus exemplified human behaviour, thus he prayed. There is no obstacle to jesus’ deity here.

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    • How can he model human behaviour if he was God? And logically he was praying to himself. Think about it.

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    • I don’t see the point in getting stuck in a loop with you. The doctrine is that jesus is god incarnate, so jesus was the perfect human being while he was incarnate and so he exemplified how to worship god perfectly.

      As a plural god – a concept thoroughly and unequivocally described in both testaments – the persons of god have relationship. Your objection is still facile.

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    • You have NOT explained how Jesus the God-man can be an example to us of anything. No perfect man that I can conceive of is aware of being the Creator of the universe – unless he is a complete looney. So your argument is a big failure.

      Btw the doctrine of the trinity is found nowhere in the Bible. So you fail on that too!

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    • Your objection is an argument from incredulity – a fallacy.

      According to both islam and christianity, jesus was sinless – that in and of itself makes him an example. In this particular case, you are claiming that jesus’ prayer to YHWH is evidence that he is not god, this only exposes an ignorance (willful or otherwise) of christian doctrine. Personal incredulity is not a sufficient objection.

      My argumnet is clear – as a sinless human incarnation of god, jesus exemplifies how we should worship.

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    • I disagree. To be told that some guy is an excellent role model for us to worship and pray, and then be told he is Yahweh is bizarre. Jesus had two wills, two centres of consciousness, two natures. He is so alien to the human race, so unlike us, so unique he cannot be a role model to us.

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    • Bill W

      You said;
      As a plural god – a concept thoroughly and unequivocally described in both testaments – the persons of god have relationship. Your objection is still facile.

      I say;
      Plural God? You must repent right now.

      I do not think someone who is plural will say this;

      “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
      “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; ” Mark 12:29

      “to the only [monos] wise God, Amen.” Romans 16:27
      “there is no God but one [hen]” 1 Corinthians 8:4
      “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God” 1 Timothy 1:17
      You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6

      How can God be in relationship with 2 beings in addition to himself when He said He is alone and only God? Don’t you read Biblical verses?

      Jesus said the only true God is not him(Jesus). How can Jesus be God when he said the only true God is not Jesus. Jesus said he was sent by the only true God and you are saying Jesus is God incarnate. Jesus’s saying is that he was sent by the only true God who is one and that is what prophet Mohammed preached from God.

      John 17:3

      New International Version
      Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

      New Living Translation
      And this is the way to have eternal life–to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

      How can incarnated God said he was sent by another God? and that God who sent hime is the only true God? but not him?

      That is why the Quran said, Christians can be judged with what is revealed in their scripture. This is a simple trial for Christians. Jesus never said “I am God incarnate”, “3 persons 1 God”, “Triune God” etc. it is all the figments of Christians imaginations.

      Thanks.

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      As a human being, jesus was the perfect example of how humans should be, thus, he prayed. No mystery here and certainly no reason to deny his divinity.

      why do you pathetically dodge the question?

      you believe that 1 person, 2 natures was praying to his father who is god too

      was 1 person, 2 natures simply playing a stage play?

      you keep on referring to the person as “he” indicating you believe fully god and fully man = “he”

      do you not see how pathetically you dodged the question?

      pray
      preɪ/Submit
      verb
      1.
      address a prayer to God or another deity.

      so fully god and fully man = 1 person addressed god directly

      do you not see that you pagans pathetically dodged the question?

      so how does it work?

      fully god prays through the fully man to speak to the high god?

      fully god and fully man @ the same time pray to the high god?

      you worship the SAME person

      when you call it “human” you believe it is “fully god”

      do not pathetically dodge the question

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    • “The doctrine is that jesus is god incarnate, so jesus was the perfect human being while he was incarnate and so he exemplified how to worship god perfectly.”

      lol? you have no shame do you?

      was FULLY god worshipping high god in heaven?

      was fully god ON earth watching fully man while 1 person was worshipping ?

      do you see how none of your pagan religion makes sense?

      was fully god on EARTH watching while fully man was praying….hold on…. they are the SAME person

      so fully god was praying the same time the human person (same person) was praying

      to the HIGH god in heaven

      “father in heaven”

      “perfect human being”

      ??????????? where did the fully god go?

      where did it god? what was it doing when the SAME person IN its MIND was SEEKING the high god?

      where did the fully god go?

      was it no longer INCARNATE when the SAME person was praying/worshipping?

      break you man worshipping religion down and see that it makes no sense

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