Brother Paul’s story – Path to Truth | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park

There was much more I could have said, especially about the huge impact the Holy Qur’an played in my conversion to Islam. Filmed yesterday at Hyde Park in London.

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Categories: Christianity, Islam, Islamophobia, London, Speakers Corner

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  1. Jazakallahkheir br Paul…thanks for sharing..

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  2. Choosing Muhammad over Jesus?

    Worst decision anybody could ever make.

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  3. “”the trinity is not found in the bible..many Christians believe that biblical fact””

    Yes. They’re what’s known as ‘heretics’

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    • I’m still waiting for something unambiguous about the trinity.

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    • time for a cup of tea 🙂

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    • No they’re not known as heretics. They are evangelicals. Have you not heard evangelical apologists opey state the majority of evangelical Christians would give a heresy if they were asked to define the Trinity idea?

      Also check the DTS survey – do many of them believe Jesus is subordinate to the Father.

      This is telling you the idea of the Trinity is taken on from the creeds and not from reading the NT.

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    • Muslims are heretics too.

      The trinity concept is expressed throughout scripture.

      The bible says God is one.

      The Father is described as God.

      The Son is described as God.

      The Holy Spirit is described as God.

      3 distinct persons. 1 being.

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    • “The bible says God is one.”

      Doesn’t say God is one “nature/essence/substance” – “ousia”.

      God is one LORD according to Jesus. How many Lords is your “God”?

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    • quote :

      Muslims are heretics too.

      The trinity concept is expressed throughout scripture.

      The bible says God is one.

      The Father is described as God.

      The Son is described as God.

      The Holy Spirit is described as God.

      3 distinct persons. 1 being.

      ////////

      yes, you spoke like a polytheist.

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    • ZS

      “The trinity concept is expressed throughout scripture.

      The bible says God is one.

      The Father is described as God.

      The Son is described as God.

      The Holy Spirit is described as God.

      3 distinct persons. 1 being.”

      Actually the above translates as 3 distinct personal gods that share the one essence of being….polytheism in the highest degree.. KS can you shows where in the bible the One God denotes 3 distinct persons that make up one being?… 🙂

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  4. I find your story is very genuine. If you read the stories of the prophet’s companions when they converted to Islam, they were not about miraculous moments or visions rather they by the most were about a moment of honesty with themselves and eager passion to find the truth. May Allah take our souls in Islam .

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  5. You talked about how you picked between Unitarianism and Islam. Did you ever consider Judaism?

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  6. Paul, Jesus said to the samaritan woman “salvation is from the Jews” ie no gentile prophets. He also said “I being lifted up will also draw all men to myself”. His death by crucifixion would result in salvation for humanity. He called himself I AM. One of Yaweh’s names/title.

    Either Jesus is a false prophet or Muhummad is.

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  7. Job wasnt a prophet. Obadiah is interesting. He was an edomite who converted to Judaism. Some think his book is an explicit prophecy on the fall of islam.

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  8. I am sincerely asking this, because I want to understand how doctrinal/ orthodox Sunni Islam understands someone who leaves Islam for a time and then returns.

    What about when you left Islam for a few days; and then came back?

    Didn’t that leaving cancel out what your video is about (saying Shahada the first time), and then your real Shahada that counts for today is the one how said later after coming back? Is not that second one the true giving of the Shahada for you?

    how does Islam understand all that back and forth? Is it like the Roman Catholic theology of loosing the grace of justification by mortal sin and then gaining it back by confession to a priest?

    How much grace or salvation is still there by the original Shahada and growth in Islam? (seeing that it seems when you left Islam for a few days, all that previous spirituality was lost, until you came back to Islam and said your Shahada again)

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    • We say the shahadah many times a day when we do salat. No, it is nothing like Roman Catholic theology, there is no priesthood in Islam. God accepts the repentance of a sinner because he is forgiving. God does not require a man-God to die because he can and does forgive whosoever he wills according to his grace and wisdom.

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  9. Ok, – I agree on what you say about no parallel with RC theology about the priesthood, etc.; my question about parallels with RC theology was more about ideas of sin in the heart, and getting rid of the black spots or rust that grows on the heart by sin.

    But the Shahada of returning is different that the one repeated many times a day after that initial Shahada, right?

    Doesn’t your second Shahada of reversion after leaving for a few days count as your real Shahada?

    What about all the Islamic texts that speak of blackness in the heart because of sin, and rust in the heart from sin, and goodness weighing an atom in the heart for Piety and coming out of hell-fire? Isn’t that kind of like the Roman Catholic ideas of grace and merit from the treasury of merit, as a substance that adheres to the soul, and increases as one does good works, etc. ?

    Paul, do you believe in Muhammad’s intercession?

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    • So many questions! I am surprised you are unaware of the answers as you say you have studied Islam for many years.

      If I have time I will get back to you Ken. Have a nice day.

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    • Thanks. I hope you can find time to answer those questions. The questions in themselves show I know some things, because of the Islamic texts I have read about the rust and black spots on the heart by sin; and the texts about “an atom of goodness” that can get a person out of hell-fire.

      I admit I don’t know everything; and I have not read all of the Hadith collections.

      Do you believe in Muhammad’s intercession?

      That one should be easy enough to answer yes or no.

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    • The question is ill-conceived. You should be asking:

      what does the Qur’an and sunnah teach about Muhammad’s intercession?

      Here is a helpful source: Google.

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    • Seems to be lots of contradictions on that issue – some verses (both Qur’an and Hadith) say there is no one who can intercede; other texts ( mostly Hadith) say that Muhammad will intercede for Muslims, etc.

      How are we suppossed to know which one is right?

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    • There are lots of references here (both Qur’an and Hadith on both sides of the argument) that show that is no way to figure out what is ultimately right.

      http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/intercession.html

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    • I don’t know. Do you?
      Sunni or Shiite Ulema?

      If you only include Sunni Ulema, then your argument that Iran is a democracy is false.

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    • I never said it was a democracy per se, just that it has a democratically elected parliament. Why are you Americans so obsessed with Iran

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    • I was just continuing the discussion started by Darthtimon the atheist. – he mentioned Iran first.

      They are an example of a Theocracy and Shiite at that; so it is a valid example to ask you questions about.

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    • Then why the example of Barabbas as somehow about Democracy?

      The whole meme is wrong – that was just “mob-rule” on the spot, manipulated, and not the entire country/region.

      Not a valid example of Democracy.

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    • Shahadah is easy Ken. No mental gymnastics involved. It’s basically the arabic version of John 17:3.

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    • ken , you are an apologist man, do you not know that you can RECONCILE any contradiction?

      “Do you believe in Muhammad’s intercession?”

      ken , who intercedes for you ?
      a bit which is not divine uses the same person (divine bit) to intercede for you?
      is the meat person using “one what” (+ 2 persons – 1 ) to intercede for you?
      what happens to the MEAT bit while one bit (created bit?) intercedes with the SAME person??

      islamic intercession

      1. one can only speak the truth about the person
      2.only God will allow the person to SPEAK the truth
      3. nothing will be HIDDEN

      http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/query.aspx?id=577

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    • “Seems to be lots of contradictions on that issue – some verses (both Qur’an and Hadith) say there is no one who can intercede; other texts ( mostly Hadith) say that Muhammad will intercede for Muslims”
      Ken, what you siad above is either a big lie or a mere ignorance.
      I cannot find any third choice for what you said.

      Reagrding John 17:3,
      Do you accept that the father is the (only) true God or not. Yes or No?

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    • Ken, what you siad above is either a big lie or a mere ignorance.
      I cannot find any third choice for what you said.

      If I understand you correctly, that is why the Islamic texts are contradictory, because one group says 1. no intercession and the other group of texts says, 2. Muhammad is intercessor

      so, there is no 3rd choice. true, there is no third choice; unless you think that a majority of ulema Sunni and what they say is the answer. (but I don’t know what that is)

      2. On John 17:3 – you cannot isolate the verse from context and verse 5. it has to be taken in context of verse 5 and all of John (and theologically consistent with all of NT) – the Father is the one true God almighty, and Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same substance (homo-ousias), resulting in the doctrine of the Trinity.

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    • “verse 5 and all of John (and theologically consistent with all of NT) – the Father is the one true God almighty, and Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same substance (homo-ousias), resulting in the doctrine of the Trinity.”

      resulting in 3 gods.
      each godling becomes a god .

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    • After I read your comment, it seems that was a big lie from your side.
      Then what’s the matter with “sunni” notion that you keep repeating?
      Man, Quran& Hadith of the prophet have been preserved and transmitted by Muslims(sunni). It’s not the same with Catholic and Protestants. You still need the books of Catholic

      Regarding John17:3! I considered verse 5, SO WHAT? You still have no choice except to accept that the father is the(only) trure God, so do you accept that the father is the(only) true God ?

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  10. There is nothing in John 17:3 about Muhammad.

    To accept John 17:3 means you should accept John 17:5, in context with it, and that points to John 1:1-5; John 1:14 and John 8:56-58; 20:28; 19:6-7; 5:17-18; 8:24; 10:27-30, all of the gospel of John, so that includes both the Father sending the Son (you should accept the second part of John 17:3 as the Father sending the Son to accomplish His mission of atonement, which the whole context of John 17 is about), and Jesus the Son, as the second person of the Trinity, and that Jesus is the same substance/essence as the Father, who shared in His glory in eternity past – John 17:5.

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  11. You don’t have any theology of the Holy Spirit, so what are you talking about?

    We do; and I do have the Holy Spirit, according to Christian theology and many verses in the NT.

    Here is just a few:

    John 7:37-39

    Romans 5:5

    Romans 8:9

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20

    Romans 8:15-16

    Galatians 4:6

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    • If you can’t see Jesus was a Unitarian you don’t have the spirit.

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    • What do you mean by “the spirit”?
      Islamic theology does not have the Holy Spirit, unless you mean angels, who are spirits, but they are not “the Holy Spirit” in Trinitarian understanding.

      Furthermore, the context with verse 4 in pointing to Jesus’ self-understanding of being sent to accomplish redemption/atonement (all of John, especially John chapters 12-20) and verse 5 which shows Jesus understands Himself as having the same glory with the Father in eternity past, which points to the homo-ousias (same substance with the Father) and the Trinity doctrine.

      So, again, you cannot claim verse 3, without verse 4 – (cross, atonement, reason for the Father sending Him) and verse 5 (same substance and glory as the Father in eternity past).

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    • If you cannot see that even the Trinitarian’s Jesus is a Unitarian, you have given up the divine gift of human understanding

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  12. Paul you said that you used to argue for the deity of Christ. So what were your arguments that you couldn’t even convince yourself?

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    • But I was very convinced Sam, for many years. I believed as you do that Jesus is God. As for arguments: I believed Jesus claimed to be God in the gospels, and the rest of the NT taught he was God too.

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  13. Paul, it is of immense admiration that you did what goodness compels a person who cares for goodness and truth to do…

    which is to look for the evidence and follow it wherever it leads.

    Thanks for doing this and thanks for being caring to call others to do it for their eternal hereafter.

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