Say (to them), “Do you know better or does Allah?” (2:140)

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extract from Sacred Freedom

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Categories: God, Islam, Politics, Quran

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  1. If God is not directly in charge of a state, then all judgements are carried out by people irrespective of democracy or dictatorship.

    As a social scientist, I would examine the realities of democracy in terms of measurable variables such as income, health, freedom of religion, etc. Do liberal democracies provide better outcomes along these measures? The answer is yes.

    Philosophically, I would ask you to consider yourself in a veil of ignorance. Would you prefer being born in a liberal democratic society that guarantees certain rights or an autocratic one?

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    • false dichotomy. I prefer to live in a society which acknowledges that ‘there is no legislator but the Legislator’ – our Creator.

      The Qur’an says:

      Say (to them), “Do you know better or does Allah?”

      So do you know better than God how we should live our lives?

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    • ‘false dichotomy. I prefer to live in a society which acknowledges that ‘there is no legislator but the Legislator’ – our Creator.’

      I doubt you are speaking from a veil of ignorance.

      ‘So do you know better than God how we should live our lives?’

      Nope. But I don’t see how living in a democracy prevents me from leading a religious life. You live in the UK. To what extent is British democracy preventing you from praying 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan, engaging in charity and performing the Hajj?

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    • So you do not know better than God how to organise a society. Good! We will make a Muslim of you yet!

      Your secular democracy does not acknowledge God as legislator. It does its own thing according to the whims and fancies of men, legalizing the kiling of babies through abortion; passing laws that contradict the Law of God on marriage, interest, etc.

      Have a read this excellent alternative:

      https://www.goodreads.com/ebooks/download/7990228-sacred-freedom

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    • ‘So you do not know better than God how to organise a society. Good! We will make a Muslim of you yet!’

      Very few verses in the Quran deal with politics or governance.

      ‘Your secular democracy does not acknowledge God as legislator. It does its own thing, legalizing the kiling of babies through abortion; passing laws that contradict the Law of God on marriage, interest, etc.’

      In any democracy, the values of the majority will dominate. If the majority were religious, you wouldn’t have to worry about abortion, gay marriage, etc.

      FYI, I am not a secular democrat. I believe in a constitutional democracy based on the Constitution of Medina.

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    • How could responding to your comment not be sticking to the topic?

      But putting that aside, so Paul are you saying there are no Islamic nations for your to live?

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    • Okay. What kind of polity did Jesus promote?

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    • Smart Kuffar, you are not qualified to analyze the contents of the Constitution of Medinah. That’s why I am not interested in what you make of it. Presumably Jesus has something better to offer in terms of a model of governance. What is it?

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  2. You insist on literally translating يد as it applies to Allāh ﷻ but you have no qualms with twisting the meaning of إله into “legislator?” And now I see implicit takfīr of Kmak?

    Which part of the Twilight Zone did I just step into?

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    • Nobody is supposed to make laws except God. A state that does not recognise the sovereignty of Islam is an infidel or apostate state. In terms of Islamic law it may become dar ul-harb.

      I would not do takfir on kmak immediately but I guess it will be made after reading more.

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  3. Historically God (or at least, the Biblical God) has permitted the wholesale slaughter of children and even carried out this act, yet God is often cited as an argument against abortion. Apparently it is moral and just for God to kill innocent children, yet should a woman require an abortion, it becomes a moral outrage and serves as a demonstration for why democracy is bad.

    And which set of religious rules should come to be the ones followed? As mentioned in the other thread, there are many religions and many interpretations of them. Who decides which one is the dominant one?

    Democracy offers representation to everyone, on equal footing.

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  4. Those who prefer disbelief over belief wish that the religion of God be wiped out or relegated to the margins of society in every country. By no means shall this happen. Rather God promises them a terrible end to their revolt for following Christianity. The Trinity is a lie. Jesus is not God. According to the BIBLE Jesus IS A FALSE PROPHET!

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