Mary, Joseph The Carpenter’s Child Bride?

Kaleef K. Karim

Recently we wrote a few articles on the history of marriage i.e., when girls were married off. You can click on them articles, here and here. This article examines how old Joseph the Carpenter was, when he married Mary mother of Jesus.

1. What is the definition of Apocrypha?

If you ask any Christian what the word ‘Apocrypha’ means, they would say something along the lines, “it means it is not authentic or spurious.” In other words it is fake. This is a recent meaning. Originally ‘Apocrypha’ meant “secret” or “hidden”, this was the ancient meaning.

James Vanderkan:

“Apocrypha is a plural word (singular: apocryphan) that originally denoted hidden or secret writings, to be read only by initiates into a given Christian group.” (The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls (T & T Clark International, 2002] by James VanderKam, Peter Flint (chapter 8), page 182)

Zlatko Plese:

“The term apocryphan signifies “that which is hidden” or “concealed”– some intimate secret shared only by the chosen few.” (Poetics of the Gnostic Universe: Narrative And Cosmology in the Apocryphon of John by Zlatko Plese page 7)

Catherine M. Murphy:

“apocryphan- secret or hidden book, such as the Apocryphan of James (a.k.a. secret Book of James).” (John the Baptist: Prophet of Purity for a New Age by Catherine M. Murphy page 161)

Sylvia Francke

“We owe the term apocryphal, since apocryphan in its original connotation means ‘a secret book’.” (The Tree of Life and the Holy Grail: Ancient and Modern Spiritual Paths and the mystery of rennes-le-Chatean by Sylvia Francke, page 6)

Diana Webb:

“…the word apocrypha as it is a word that is greatly misunderstood. It comes from Greek and is formed from the combination of apo (away) and krytein (hide or conceal). Thus, it signifies that which is ‘hidden away’ or ‘concealed’. Apocryphan is the singular form and apocrypha the plural. These words are used to describe the nature of a certain body of ancient religious writings. The word apocrypha, like many other words has undergone a major change in meaning throughout the centuries. With regard to these ancient books, the word apocrypha ORIGINALLY MEANT A TEXT TOO SACRED AND SECRET TO BE IN EVERYONES HANDS. It needed to be hidden away and reserved for the spirituality mature. It was a term of dignity and respect. To those who revered the apocryphal books, they were ‘hidden’ because they contained teachings that were too sacred to be revealed except to the initiated.” (Forgotten Women of God [Bonneville Books Springville, Utah, 2010]  by Diana Webb page xiv)

Interesting how Protestant Christians are quick to reject Apocrypha books. But when we ask them, “Why do you accept the book of Hebrews?” They have no answer. Most scholars agree that they do not know who wrote the book, yet Christians still accept it as scripture.

Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph

‘History of Joseph the Carpenter’ confirms that Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph. Chapter 3 and 4 states:

“3. Now when righteous Joseph became a widower, my mother Mary, blessed, holy, and pure, was already twelve years old. For her parents offered her in the temple when she was three years of age, and she remained in the temple of the Lord nine years. Then when the priests saw that the virgin, holy and God-fearing, was growing up, they spoke to each other, saying: Let us search out a man, righteous and pious, to whom Mary may be entrusted until the time of her marriage; lest, if she remain in the temple, it happen to her as is wont to happen to women, and lest on that account we sin, and God be angry with us.

4. Therefore they immediately sent out, and assembled twelve old men of the tribe of Judah. And they wrote down the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. And the lot fell upon the pious old man, righteous Joseph. Then the priests answered, and said to my blessed mother: Go with Joseph, and be with him till the time of your marriage. Righteous Joseph therefore received my mother, and led her away to his own house. And Mary found James the Less in his father’s house, broken-hearted and sad on account of the loss of his mother, and she brought him up. Hence Mary was called the mother of James. Luke 24:10 Thereafter Joseph left her at home, and went away to the shop where he wrought at his trade of a carpenter. And after the holy virgin had spent two years in his house her age was exactly fourteen years, including the time at which he received her.” (The History of Joseph the Carpenter, http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0805.htm)

Infancy Gospel of James also states she was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph. See the link here.


2. Marriage in Ancient Jewish times

One must remember in ancient Israelite times once a girl was betrothed, sexual intimacy was allowed. There was no law against that, nor does the Bible say anything against it. So, for Mary to be betrothed, it did not mean that Joseph and Mary could not get intimate. Click on the following article I have written on ancient Jewish marriages.

3. Experts agree that Joseph was a very old man

De Robigne Mortimer Bennett says:

“The following ‘Facts about virgin Mary’ are taken from one of the Apocryphal gospels- the ‘History of Joseph the Carpenter,’ a book that was popular and believed to be genuine in the so-called Evangelical of the Church. It is reproduced here from the ‘Revelations of Antichrist:’ Joseph was a widower with four sons and two daughters, all married but James and Judas. Joseph was a Priest as well as a Carpenter, but lived mostly by the latter trade. Mary had been brought up in the temple till she was twelve years old, when the priests sought to intrust her to the care of some pious old man who wanted a wife. So they assembled twelve old men, who raffled for Mary. The ex-priest and carpenter won and was betrothed to her at once, the marriage to be postponed until she reached a suitable age. But he took her to his house and kept her two years, when she became a mother by the Holy Ghost.

When Joseph discovered the condition Mary was in he became sorely troubled, and could not eat or drink for a whole day. He thought of hushing up the scandal by putting her away secretly. (It is not said whether he suspected his son James, who was most tenderly attached to his prospective step-mother. When she first came she found him broken-hearted at the recent loss of his own mother, but the advent of a lovely maiden, who, though some years his junior, assumed the relations of a mother to him, soon assuaged his grief; and she, caring for him as a loving step-mother knows how, became known as ‘the mother of James,’ even before she became a wife to his father. The absence of Joseph, who had to be away at work at his trade, to say nothing of his age, which was then ninety-two, no doubt tended to strengthen the ties between the son and the female guardian.) Joseph was not long left to remain in trouble about the condition of Mary. In the Midst of his distress he fell asleep at noonday, and had a dream, in which Gabriel appeared to him and explained the mystery of the Immaculate Conception. That was enough; happiness was restored. The angelic friend had tied up the storm. The far-off magi made haste to welcome the new-born king of the Jews. But the wicked Herod was wroth with them for not telling where the infant was, so he might go and worship him also. Jesus grew up and worked with his reputed father Joseph at the Carpenter trade, and lived in sweet accord with his two half-brothers, until the death of their father Joseph, who lived to the ripe age of 111 years. These statements should undoubtedly be taken with many grains of allowance.” (The Semitic gods and the Bible. Being over three hundred pages from “The gods and religions of ancient and modern times.” Written while unjustly imprisoned (1912) by D. M. Bennet (De Robigne Mortimer Bennett), page 605)

De Robigne Mortimer Bennett says that the book ‘History of Joseph the Carpenter,’ was believed and genuine by early Evangelical Church. Not just that, he also mentions when Joseph married Mary, she was 12 years old and he was 90 years old. At the end of his statement on ‘History of Joseph the Carpenter,’ he states,

“These statements should undoubtedly be taken with many grains of allowance.”

Here, he himself agrees that the statements where it mentions that Joseph was 90-year-old when he married 12 Mary is true, and should be accepted.

Bernard L. Fontana also mentions that Mary was 12 years old and Joseph 90 years old when married:

“Thanks to the apocrypha writings, which inspired many artists over the ages, the popular belief became widespread that Joseph had first married when he was forty years old and fathered six children by his wife before she died when he was eighty-nine years old. The youngest of his child was said to be James the Less, ‘Christ’s brother.’ This tradition holds that Joseph was ninety years old when he went to Jerusalem to join other candidates seeking the hand of the twelve- to fourteen year old Mary in Marriage.” (Bernard L. Fontana A Gift of Angels: The Art of Mission San Xavier Del Bac, page 258)


4. Early Church Fathers Believed Joseph was 80 to 90 years old when he married 12-year-old Mary

The very advanced age of Joseph, marrying Mary, was true and accepted by most early Church Fathers. Reverend Jeremiah Jones writes about 2 to 3 pages long that Infancy Protevangelion of James was accepted by Early Church Fathers as truthful account of Mary and Joseph’s marriage. If one reads the Infancy Gospel of James (Protevangelion of James), in Chapter 8 it says that Mary was married to Joseph when she was 12 years old.

“…His eldest son was James, surnamed Oblias—that he begat him when he was about forty years old: after him he had another son named Jose, then Simeon and Judas, and then his two daughters Mary and Salome: after his wife’s death he continued many years a widower, and about fourscore years old married Mary. Besides Epiphanius, several other of the Greek fathers have given into this same opinion, viz. Hilary, Chrysostome, Cyrill, Euthyymius, Theophylact, Cecumenius, and generally, as bishop Peaterson says: ‘all Latin fathers till Ambrose, and the Greeks afterward; from which it is very evident that the account of Joseph’s age and family, which is in the Gospel of the Birth Mary, and the Protevangelion of James, met with very general credit among ancient Christians.” (A new and full method of settling the canonical authority of the New Testament. To which is subjoined A Vindication of the Former Part of St. Matthew’s Gospel from Mr. Whiston’s Charge of Dislocations by Reverend Jeremiah Jones, volume 2, page 116)

Jeremiah Jones continues:

“I might, add here, that the learned annalist cardinal Baronius, in his surprising apologies for the Virgin Mary, (…) cites many of the fathers as giving credit to its accounts, and particularly as to that of her being brought at three years of age to the temple, and devoted to its service, (Evang. Mar. c. 4. 6. Protevang. Jacob. C. 7.) and that she continued there eleven years. He says it is testified by Euodius, Gregory Nyssene, Damascene, Germanus bishop of Constantinople, Andreas Cretensis, George Bishop of Nicomedia, and others. See Apparat. Ad Annal. No. 48. And Casaubon’s reflections upon this Exercit. 1. Contr. Baron. Ad eund. Numer.” (A new and full method of settling the canonical authority of the New Testament. To which is subjoined A Vindication of the Former Part of St. Matthew’s Gospel from Mr. Whiston’s Charge of Dislocations by Reverend Jeremiah Jones, volume 2, page 116)

Charles Burlingame Waite, was a United States lawyer and a jurist, he also cites Epiphanies that Joseph was 80 years old when he married Mary,

Joseph was very old when he married Mary, and had been many years a widower; that he was the brother of Clophas, the son of James, surnamed Panther; that he had his first wife of the tribe of Judah, and by her six children, to wit, four sons and two daughters. His eldest son was James, surnamed Oblias, (this probably taken from Eusebius, Ecc, Hist. 2. 23), that he begat him when he was about forty years old; after him he had another son named Jose, then Simeon and Judas, and then his two daughters Mary and Salome: after his wife’s death, he continued many years a widower, and about fourscore years old, married Mary.”- Epiph. Haeres. 78, see. 8.” (History of the Christian religion to the year two hundred [Published 1881] By Charles B. Waite page 131)

As we have read, most early church fathers believed Mary was married off when she was 12 years old and Joseph the carpenter was a very old man. Here is the list of fathers who believed that Joseph was fourscore years old when he married 12-year-old Mary:

1. Epiphanius (310 – 403 CE)
2. Hilary (Hilarius) of Poitiers (300 – 368 CE)
3. John Chrysostom (Born between 344 and 349 – 407 CE)
4. Cyril of Alexandria (376 – 444 CE)
5. Saint Euthymius the Great (377 – 473 CE)
6. Theophylact of Ohrid (also known as Theophylact of Bulgaria) (1055 – 1107 CE)
7. Cecumenius
8. Eusebius (263 – 339 CE)


5. Did Mary stay a Virgin whole her life?

Some may say that she stayed virgin whole her life and it is insignificant if Joseph was an old man or not. But that is not correct. If we read Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 1 verse 25 it clearly says that Joseph had sexual intimacy with Mary after Jesus was born.

“But he did not have sexual relations with her UNTIL her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.” – Matthew 1:25

The above verse shows that they were not intimate until Jesus was born. Before someone accuses me of twisting this verse, let’s see what their own Christian experts have to say on the passage. Commentaries on the New Testament Matthew by Charles H. Talbert:

“Did Mary have sexual relations with Joseph after Jesus’s birth? Among the earliest witnesses, Tertulian (Mar. 4.19) and Irenaeus (Haer. 3.16, 21, 22) SAY YES.” (Commentaries on the New Testament Matthew by Charles H. Talbert, page 34)

Tony Coffey:

“…Matthew stated that Joseph had no sexual relations with Mary ‘until she gave birth to a son.’This tells us that after Jesus birth, Joseph and Mary had a normal sexual relationship like any other couple. The point needs to be made that there was nothing unholy about Mary and Joseph having sex. How could there be? Marriage was designed by God, with sex as one of its blessings. It must be remembered that Joseph and Mary were engaged to be married. Like any engaged couple, they may have discussed, among other matters, having children. Such a discussion would not have been unholy. Sex within the bounds of marriage has the endorsement of God. The notion of marriage without sex is the opposite of what scriptures teach: ‘Marriage should be honoured by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral’ (Hebrews 13:4). The Apostle Paul was very outspoken about the place of sex in marriage and the mutual obligation of both husband and wife to fulfil the sexual desires of their partner…” (Answers to Questions Catholics Are Asking By Tony Coffey page 209 – 210)

American New Testament scholar Ben Witherinton III:

“Matthew 1:25 has caused no end of theological debate over the centuries. Joseph is said to ‘take’ his wife, ‘but he was not knowing her until she gave birth to a son.’ This seems to reinforce what was said in Matthew 1:18 and implies that Joseph abstained from sexual intercourse with Mary until Jesus was born. The verb here ‘he was not knowing’ (eginosken) is in the imperfect and stresses a specific period of time after which he was ‘knowing’ her in the biblical sense of sexual intercourse. As Matthew 17:9 and its similar construction show, a negative statement followed by ‘until which time’ always implies that the negated action will take place after the allotted time (indicated by the participle) is up. The end of the time is indicated by the aorist verb ‘gave birth’ (eteken). Therefore, it is most likely that this verse rules out the idea of Mary’s perpetual Virginity being part of Matthew’s theology.” (The Indelible Image: The Theological and Ethical Thought World of the New Testament By Ben Witherington III. Volume 1, page 653)

Phil Moore:

“Some Christian traditions see Mary as a ‘perpetual virgin’ who never had sex with Joseph. I find this impossible to reconcile with the straightforward teaching of Matthew 1:25; 12:46; 13:55.” (Straight to the Heart of Matthew: 60 Bite-Sized Insights by Phil Moore, page 24 (Footnote 9))

The NIV Application Commentary by Matthew J. Wilkins also agrees that the verse in Matthew 1:25 is talking about sexual intercourse taking place after Jesus’s birth.

“…(1:25). The delicate way of Matthew phrases this expression (lit., ‘he was not knowing her’) was a common way of referring to abstaining from sexual intercourse in both Hebrew and Greek. Sexual abstinence maintained Joseph and Mary’s ritual purification the pregnancy as well as ensured that Jesus was virgin-born. But this is not a hint of continued celibacy after Jesus birth. The word ‘until’ most naturally means that Mary and Joseph had normal marital sexual relations after Jesus birth, from which other children were born (see 12:46, 13:55).” (The NIV Application Commentary: Matthew Michael J. Wilkins, page 82)

6. Holy Spirit Impregnated Mary when she was 12 – 14 years old?

One would seem shocked by the title of this section. But this is true, if one reads certain passages in the Bible, one would realise that sexuality was involved in Mary’s pregnancy. Let’s have a read of the verses:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” – John 3:16

The word ‘beget’, begotten’ means:

The concise Oxford dictionary of current English (1911)

“beget v.t. (-tt-, -got, -gotten). Procreate (usu. Of father, sometimes of father and mother, cf bear);…” (The concise Oxford dictionary of current English [1911], page 74)

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary

“…begotten: (1) : OFFSPRING (2) : the entire progeny of a male animal b: lineage…” (Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary: [Eleventh Edition], page 525)

Chambers’s twentieth century dictionary of the English language (1903):

“Beget, be-get, v.t. to produce or cause : to generate : to produce as an effect, to cause :– pr.p beget’ting; pa.t. begat’, begot : pa.p begot , begot’ten. –n. Beget’ter, one who begets: a father : the agent that occasions or originates anything…” (Chambers’s twentieth century dictionary of the English language [1903], page 85)

What are we supposed to me make of statements like this? That God begets a Son? This is exactly the same as human by human or animal by animal relationship. We as Muslims object to the word ‘begotten’ because begetting is an animal act, belonging to the lower animal functions of sex. How can Christians attribute such a lowly capacity to God? The words are crystal clear; anybody reading the above mentioned verse would straight away believe/think that Yahweh had sexual intimacy with Mary and this is the case. The language of the next verse clearly shows sexual intimacy.

“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall COME UPON YOU, and the power of the Highest shall OVERSHADOW YOU: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.” – Luke 1:35

In Luke 1:35 when the words ‘COME UPON YOU’ is used this sounds exactly like husband come upon his wife.
There are Christians that believe that Yahweh had sexual intimacy with Mary, not just that, but also Mary became a WIFE of God (Na’uzubillah). Here is one of the commentaries on Luke;

“God, the Father of our spirits, became the father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. Hence, the Father saith concerning him ‘Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.’ We are informed in the first chapter of Luke, that Mary was chosen by the Father as a choice virgin, through whom he begat Jesus. The angel said unto the Virgin Mary, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’ After the power of the Highest had overshadowed Mary, and she had by that means conceived, she related the circumstance to her cousin Elizabeth in the following words: ‘He that is Mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name.’ It seems from this relation that the Holy Ghost accompanied ‘the highest’ when he overshadowed the Virgin Mary and begat Jesus; and from this circumstance some have supposed that the body of Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost without the instrumentality of the immediate presence of the Father. There is no doubt that the Holy Ghost came upon Mary to sanctify her, and make her holy, and prepare her to endure the glorious presence of ‘the Highest,’ that when ‘He’ should overshadow her she might conceive, being filled with the Holy Ghost; hence the angel said, as recorded in Matthew, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost;’ that is, the Holy Ghost gave her strength to abide the presence of the father without being consumed; but it was the personage of the father who begat the body of Jesus; and for this reason Jesus is called ‘the Only begotten of the Father;’ that is, the only one in this world whose fleshly body was begotten by the Father. There were millions of sons and daughters whom He begat before the foundation of this world, but they were spirits, and not bodies of flesh and bones; whereas, both the spirit and body of Jesus were begotten by the Father- the spirit having been begotten in heaven many ages before the tabernacle was begotten upon the earth.

The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a father. Therefore, the father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the LAWFUL WIFE OF GOD THE FATHER : we use the term LAWFUL wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the saviour unlawfully. It would have been unlawful for any man to have interfered with Mary, who was already espoused to Joseph ; for such a heinious crime would have subjected both the guilty parties to death, according to the law of Moses. But God having had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and PLEASURE He had a lawful right to overshadow the virgin Mary in the capacity of a HUSBAND, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for his own conduct. It was also lawful in Him, after having thus dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. In as much as god was the First HUSBAND to HER, it may be that he only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.” (The Seer [1853] by Orson Pratt, page 158)

Also, David Jay Jordan, a Christian comments on the word “OVERSHADOW”, he writes:

“And if you didn’t know it the word ‘overshadowed’ is just another delicate discreet way of saying a man got on top of a woman, casting his shadow over her, and entered her with his penis and ‘made love’ to her. This is just the good old-fashioned missionary way of producing babies. The woman gets ‘overshadowed’…or as King Solomon via the Holy Spirit said… His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me. (Song of Solomon 2: 6) Because her lover is over top of her…. and he is overshadowing her …..’and his banner over me was love’ (2: 4).

Do clouds penetrate into the womb ?…. Does gas produce babies ? The answer obviously NO. The Lord created sperm to break thru the egg of a woman to combine with the cell of a woman to reproduce into a new body for a new soul. That’s the Lord’s biology, that’s His embryology. That’s the Lord’s sexuality.
Mathew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is CONCEIVED IN her is of the Holy GhostAnd the conception happened INSIDE Mary’s womb. Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB.” (“‘Overshadowing of ‘Virgin Mary'”, by David Jay Jordan’s, online source, http://www.davidjayjordan.com/OvershadowingofVirginMary.html )

I didn’t add other points he brought up, I think it is distasteful. Read the rest here.

Brown Ogwuma says something on this as well:

“It seems that, like the adult human male, the Holy Spirit who fathered Jesus is also more sexually attracted to younger females than older ones. And for 90 years old Joseph having other children with Mary, who was so young as to be his grand-daughter, he must have been a busy old man, who apparently was endowed with sexual prowess.” (Playing God: Intuitive Reflections and Discourse on Life by Brown Ogwuma, page 98)

Addendum:

“Mary, Spouse of the Holy Spirit”, Michael Scanlan, New Covenant, June 1997:

“Today, I sense a new oneness, or completion, in my spiritual life AS I SEEK TO JOIN MARY AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IN MY PRAYER. I’ve also seen this new fullness and vitality flow into student groups on our campus and into prayer groups as they’ve celebrated THE SPOUSAL UNITY OF OUR LADY AND THE HOLY SPIRIT…. Beginning with the Miraculous Medal apparitions at Rue de Bac in Paris and continuing through this century, Our Lady has appeared to countless people throughout the world. Her apparitions at Lourdes and Fatima have received the highest Church approval, but Beauraing, Banneux, Knox, Akita, Managua, Amsterdam, La Salette and Kibeho have all been endorsed by their local bishops…[Saint Maximilian Kolbe’s] secret was an intimate relationship with the ‘Immaculata’ in the power of the Holy Spirit. …
The saint starts with Mary’s revelation of her identity to Bernadette at Lourdes:
“‘I am the Immaculate Conception.’ Kolbe points out that Mary didn’t say, ‘I WAS immaculately conceived,’ as if it was a past event and she just wanted to re- enforce the fact of HER SINLESS CONCEPTION. Mary identifies herself as the Immaculate Conception in the present tense, Kolbe says, to show that, from her conception forward, HER SPIRIT HAS BEEN TOTALLY UNITED AND TOTALLY SUBJECTED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT…
“Thus MARY BECAME THE SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN SHE WAS CONCEIVED, not years later when she gave her consent to the angel Gabriel and conceived Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. Kolbe maintains that THIS SPOUSAL UNION IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN’T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER: THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PRESENT WHENEVER MARY IS PRESENT. Further, HE MAKES OUR LADY PRESENT WHEREVER AND WHENEVER HE ACTS.” Scanlan says he doesn’t claim to fully understand this mysterious unity, but he “KNOWS THAT ANY ATTEMPT TO DIVORCE MARY AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IMPOVERISHES PEOPLE SPIRITUALLY“. It’s only to the extent to which Mary and the Holy Spirit are together in our hearts, minds and spirits that we can experience the power and grace of their spousal union… I pray the De Montfort Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary every morning. … I SPECIFICALLY INVITE OUR LADY, MY MOTHER AND QUEEN, TO OVERSEE, GUIDE AND PROTECT MY DAY, CONSECRATING THE VALUE OF ALL I DO TO HER. At the same time, I invite the Holy Spirit to guide, empower, enlighten and inspire my day…Since I’ve started consciously uniting Mary and the Holy Spirit, I have experienced new blessings of infused prayer and the presence of the Lord Jesus and the Father…Both Mary and the Holy Spirit are given to us and for us as advocates. Both Mary and the Holy Spirit serve to mediate grace in our lives” (“Mary, Spouse of the Holy Spirit”, Michael Scanlan, New Covenant, June 1997, page 16 – 18)

Pope Leo XIII, in his Encycl. Divinum illud, May 9, 1897 stated that Mary “is justly called his spouse”:

“…Unite, then, Venerable Brethren, your prayers with Ours, and at your exhortation let all Christian peoples add their prayers also, invoking the powerful and ever-acceptable intercession of the Blessed Virgin. You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Spirit, so that SHE IS JUSTLY CALLED HIS SPOUSE. Her intercession was of great avail both in the mystery of the Incarnation and in the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles….” (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, Selected and arranged by The Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, Imprimatur: His Eminence, Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, May 31, 1961, page 150)

Pope Pius XII, in an address to the women of Italian Catholic Action, July 13, 1958 said:

“There is a Woman, –you know it, — upon whom God willed to fix His eyes with infinite tenderness, as He had destined her to be His Mother. His all-powerful love kept her virginal glory intact, and in addition HE BESTOWED ON HER THE CROWN OF A SPOUSE AND THE DIGNITY OF A MOTHER. Look on Mary as your model, unsurpassed and unsurpassable. Look on Mary, the Lily of the Valley, who, nevertheless, through the operation of the Holy Spirit bore fruit and gave Jesus to the world. If you look on her and imitate her, your freshness shall remain unblemished; your perfume unaltered; and your attractiveness unchangeable.” (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, Selected and arranged by The Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, Imprimatur: His Eminence, Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, May 31, 1961, page 458)

Pope Pius XII also taught that Mary was the “beloved spouse of the Holy Spirit”:

“And Paradise recognized that she [Mary] was really worthy of receiving of honor, glory and rule, because she is full of grace, holier, more beautiful, more exalted, incomparably more so than the greatest saints and angels, taken individually or all together; because, as the first-born daughter of the Father, the perfect mother of the Word, the BELOVED SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, she is related in virtue of the Hypostatic Union to the whole Most Holy Trinity….” (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, Selected and arranged by The Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, Imprimatur: His Eminence, Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, May 31, 1961, page 267 – 268)

 

A Catholic author states:

“For that reason this evil [decomposition] belongs to that class of human defects which for reasons analogous to those in Christ, are absolutely excluded from Mary also, as being inconsistent with her dignity and position and especially with THE CONSECRATION OF HER WHOLE BEING BY ITS INTIMATE UNION WITH CHRIST AS SPOUSE AND MOTHER. Hence the words from the psalm: ‘Nor wilt thou give Thy holy one to see corruption,’ must of necessity be extended to Mary also” (Mariology, Scheeben, page 158 – 159 – “nihil obstat” by Innocentius Swoboda, O. F. M. Censor Librorum, “imprimatur” by Josephus E. Ritter, S.T.D., Archiepiscopus)

This same author continues and states:

“God’s honor required that He bestow upon His mother such holiness as would enable her worthily to fulfill the service she was to render Him and that through this most intimate association she might be brought to a holiness like to His own. Moreover, the love of God, whereby Mary in an unparalleled way becomes daughter, BRIDE, AND SANCTUARY OF THE DIVINITY, requires that she be perfectly prepared for this association with God and, to that end, be raised to a participation in His perfection” (Mariology, Scheeben, page 4)

On June 25, 1946, at Marienfried, Germany, the “Virgin Mary” declared that she was the “permanent bride of the Holy Spirit”:

“I am the Great Mediatrix of Graces. The Father wants the world to recognize this rank of His maidservant. People must believe that I, as the PERMANENT BRIDE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, am the faithful Mediatrix of All Graces. My sign is emerging. God wills it thus. Only my children recognize it as it reveals itself in secrecy, and they praise the Eternal One for it. Today I cannot yet reveal my power to the whole world. I must withdraw with my children. In secrecy I will perform miracles on the souls until the number of sacrifices has become full. It is up to you to shorten the days of darkness. Your prayers and sacrifices will shatter the image of the beast. Then I can reveal myself to the whole world for the greater honor of the Almighty One. Choose my sign so that the triune One may soon be adored and honored by all. Pray and make sacrifices through me! Pray always! Pray the rosary! Ask everything from the Father through my Immaculate Heart!” (“Call of the Ages”, Petrisko, page 303 – 304)

The above information was taken from http://www.cuttingedge.org, from an article titled “Virgin Mary: Spouse Of The Holy Spirit“.

Kontakion One from the Byzantine Rite, Akathist to the Theotokos calls the Mother of God, “Bride unwedded” (this tradition attributed it to St. Romanos the Melodist, who died in A.D. 556):

“Kontakion, Tone 8:
To Thee the Champion Leader we Thy servants dedicate a feast of victory and of thanksgiving, as ones rescued out of suffering, O Theotokos. But as Thou art one with might which is invincible, from all dangers that can be do Thou deliver us, that we may cry unto Thee: rejoice Thou BRIDE UNWEDDED.” (27 марта 2015 г.) http://orthochristian.com/78209.html and https://www.fisheaters.com/akathisthymn.html )

We can all agree with the evidence presented that Mary’s pregnancy involved sexual intimacy with the Holy Spirit. Christians in the past and present have said that Mary was the Holy Spirit’s wife. This was not my view, but rather Christians who are admitting such blasphemous thing.


7. Age of Consent in European & American History

Early marriages in American States and European countries prior the 20th century, click on the article here for more info.

8. Questions for Christians

1. Why was Mary pregnant at such young age by the Holy Spirit? Note, Holy Spirit is a Centillion years old.
2. Why did Jesus not speak against (or abolish) child marriages?
3. How come Paul says nothing against such marriages?
4. Why did Yahweh not say anything against Mary’s marriage with Joseph?
5. Why did Yahweh bless the marriage of Joseph, who was 80 – 90 years old at least, with 12-year-old Mary?


Conclusion:
 The evidence presented supports the fact that Mary married Joseph the carpenter when she was 12 years old and Joseph was at least 80 to 90 years old at the time. I went over the word ‘Apocrypha’ as we have read already, it originally denoted ‘Hidden’ or ‘secret’. Moreover, I gave a reference from the Gospel of Matthew that said after Jesus’s birth, Joseph and Mary had normal sexual life. Lastly, the references quoted from some of the early Church fathers that Mary married Joseph when she was 12 years old, some of them believed even though Mary was married to Joseph, she stayed a Virgin whole her life. Their argument that Mary stayed a virgin, does not hold any weight when the Gospel of Matthew makes it clear that there was sexual intimacy between Mary and Joseph after Jesus (p) was born. Whatever opinion some of the early church fathers held on Mary staying a virgin whole her life, Matthew 1:25 negates their claims.

Disclaimer: Whatever is given in this article is just showing of the mirror to the Liars/deceivers and other missionary haters of Islam, otherwise neither I nor any Muslim can ever think of anything close to it. Christian brothers/sisters do understand that this article is in no way attacking the Christian faith. The article was mainly written in response to the double standards of Christian missionaries. No Muslim can be a Muslim if he/she has any such imagination about Mary, the purest and greatest woman of all.

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(2) – “Age of Consent in European & American History

(3) – “The Age Of Consent Laws In America, 1800s

(4) – “King David’s Marriage To 12-Year-Old Abishag – Bible” (Part 2, and Part 3)

(5) – “Bible: How Old Was Dinah When She Was Married To Shechem?” (Part 2)

(6) – “The Age Of Rebecca When She Married Isaac – Biblical Perspective” (Part 2, and Part 3)

(7) – “13-Year-Old Girls Permitted To Marry By Law In New Hampshire, America (2017)

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31 replies

  1. As I have said on a previous related post, I think Discover the Truth has enough related articles on this subject to publish a book, and I highly encourage them to do so!!!

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  2. woow, amazing. I always love your work

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  3. Muslims again frantically trying to justify Muhammad’s marriage and sexual relations with a minor.

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    • How do you justify your ignorance though?

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    • Hashim,

      So you think there is nothing wrong with a 54 year old man marrying a 6 year old child and having sex with her when she’s 9?

      Let’s see if you can answer the question by not asking a question.

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    • Let’s see if you are biblically literate: at what age did people usually marry in the Bible?

      Let’s see if you are a hypocrite.

      Then let’s discuss your question.

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    • You christians are the most immoral people on face of this earth, yet you try to judge the most moral person in all the time? How dare you? Your bible is in our side regarding this topic, so just shut up your filthy mouth.

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    • “”” yet you try to judge the most moral person in all the time? “””

      Lulz

      Are you trolling? You can’t possibly be serious…

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    • You didn’t answer my question though…

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    • Uhh yeah you used this same tactic in the debate, Bilal, and made a fool of yourself.

      Trying to defend an objection against Islam by pointing fingers at the bible is a logical fallacy.

      Nice try.

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    • You’re confusing calling someone out for hypocrisy with the tu quoque fallacy.

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    • How do you justify moses and his men taking pre pubescent girls for intercourse [according to the bible]?

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    • When it comes to the prophet ﷺ, I’m more than serious.

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    • You’re the one who seems confused, HK.

      Because the two basically mean the same thing. A tu quoque is an APPEAL TO HYPOCRISY.

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    • My bad, i thought there was a difference. I see james white do it all the time, no one ever objects when he does it.

      The question still remains, how do you justify the incident when moses and his men took prepubescent girls for intercourse.

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    • I don’t justify it, reason being because it doesn’t actually say that.

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    • Can you explain what it means by ‘little girls’ in numbers 31?

      Webster’s Bible Translation Numbers 31:17-18
      Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

      An English and Hebrew Lexicon – Professor Selig Newman:
      Child , an infant … טַף… an offspring,… get with-

      A complete Hebrew-English pocket-dictionary to the Old Testament (1905) – Karl Feyerabend:
      טַף (taf) ., i.p. .., w.s…. coll. Children, little ones.

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    • Where does it say to have “intercourse” with them?

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  4. Abdullah,

    Then you’re SERIOUSLY misinformed.

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    • I’m aware perfectly that you’re just hypocrites

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    • We clearly have different definitions of morality.

      For example, in my opinion a 54 year old man marrying 6 year old girls and having sex with them when they’re 9 is morally wrong and completely repugnant.

      You obviously see things differently.

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    • “in my opinion ”
      Wow are you? You’re a christian boy who believes in a “god” had lust for everything including women.

      “You obviously see things differently”
      Of course I see things differently. I know that the definition of morality has not begun with the 20th century in the western world. The prophet ﷺ did marry Aisha(ra) with all love and mercy. He gave her the option even to leave him, yet she refused plainly. After the death of the prophet ﷺ, she was repeating this poem
      ذهب الذين يعاشوا في أكنافهم *** وبقينا في خلف كجلد الأجرب
      Basically, she was so sad as if she was left around people who got mange!
      Also, I recommend for all people who try to attack that blessed marriage to read the personalty of that great woman. She was among the earliest female scholars in Islam, if she is not the first one. Her mentality, personality, and character was more than amazing. I’m asking why? How could that “immoral” marriage leave us with that great character?

      Moreover and again, your bible itself is in our side. Many things in your bible don’t match with the secular western “values”. Those “values” you think they must be the standard “values” to judge the world and its history according to. Where’s your voice? Has the cat eaten your tongue?

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    • In their words you condone pedophilia.

      Your confirmation is noted and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

      You’re dismissed.

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    • Other* not their*

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    • If Aisha(ra) had been through puberty, how is it pedophilia?
      pedophilia was when Moses and his men took little girls for intercourse [according to the bible].

      pedophilia
      noun
      sexual feelings directed towards children.

      child
      noun
      a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

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  5. “”If Aisha(ra) had been through puberty””

    What evidence do you have to back up this assumption?

    We know Aisha was still playing with dolls when she first moved in with Muhammad.

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    • “5 Facts About Aisha And Muhammed’s Marriage”

      https://discover-the-truth.com/2017/02/28/5-facts-about-aisha-and-muhammeds-marriage/

      As for dolls:

      The claim that “Aisha playing with dolls proves she was too immature to marry Muhammad”, this is baseless. Not only do we have historical evidence proving that Aisha hit puberty, the BBC America produced a documentary which show women above the age of 18 play with dolls:

      “Monica Walsh, a 41-year-old wife and mother of a 2-year-old daughter from Orange County, N.Y., has one doll – “Hayden.” And, yes, she told Lauer, she plays with her doll “the same way a man might make a big train station and play with his train station or play with his sports car, his boat or his motorcycle.”
      Fran Sullivan, 62, lives in Florida and has never had children. She brought two reborns to New York, “Robin” and “Nicholas,” and said she has a collection of more than 600 dolls of all kinds, including a number of reborn dolls.” (“Bogus baby boom: Women who collect lifelike dolls”, by Mike Celizic, online source (last accessed 8th February 2017), http://www.today.com/id/26970782/ns/today-today_news/t/bogus-%20baby-boom-women-who-collect-lifelike-dolls/ )

      The BBC UK (2013) also published an article on this, titled “Teddy bears: Adults on their stuffed toy companions”, showing how grown up women play with teddy bears often:

      “I have a small brown bear, Frank by name. He is so called because he is an earnest, honest, upright bear. He was given to me by a friend, as a promise that he would come home to me – and Frank. Frank had looked after my friend when his life went wrong. My friend never came home, he went to France and found someone else. Now Frank and I look after each other and we go everywhere together. Frank is a very special wee bear and very knowing. He has a beautiful soul. I will love him always. He is a good listener and he is my best friend. Heather, Rutland

      My partner and I have 17 teddy bears which we’ve collected over the last five years, one of whom is my partner’s best friend and has been since he was 18 months old. Our teddies are a huge part of our lives. They travel the world with us and I couldn’t “bear” to leave any of them at home. Laura, Exeter, Devon.” (“Teddy bears: Adults on their stuffed toy companions” (BBC Magazine., Published 8 February 2013), online source (Last accessed 8th February 2017), http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21367728 )

      Additionally, this is also supported by the New York Times. [7]

      Dr. Juliette Peers says that it was very fashionable for adult women to carry dolls in public in the early 20th century:

      “As dolls were becoming closely identified with medicalized norms of girls’ behaviour, many adult doll-type products began production in the 1920s and 1930s. Some of these, such as the Lenci felt dolls from Italy, crossed over from adult mascot or living room decorations into the realm of children’s toys. Others-such as the pinchusion dolls and porcelain dolls in the shape of hair tidies, bookends, perfume bottles, vases powder bowls, powder puffs, lamp bases and face brooches- would have been familiar items to the younger teen at least in their personal home environment and their mother’s room, if not standing on the girl’s dressing table o decorating her bedroom. DURING THE 1920S, IT WAS TRENDY FOR ADULT WOMEN TO CARRY DOLLS IN PUBLIC, especially in urban areas, as a fashion accessory, and perfume flasks, purses and handbags were produced with doll or teddy bear faces. The Nancy Ann Story Book Company of California produced small dolls in series that encouraged young girls to collect the whole set. The Nancy Ann Dolls crossed over from the younger to a young ADULT AUDIENCE, who regarded them a mascots and ornaments. Because the Nancy Ann dolls were extremely popular, the company had to switch to locally produced dolls when the supply sources in Axis countries became unavailable during World War II.” (Girl Culture: An Encyclopedia [Claudia Mitchell, Jacqueline Reid-Walsh (editors), GP – Greenwood Press, 2008] by Dr. Juliette Peers, volume 1, page 28)

      And here:

      “Collectible dolls are often given as presents to girls by doting parents and grandparents, as well as being bought as personal items by adult women.” (Girl Culture: An Encyclopedia [Claudia Mitchell, Jacqueline Reid-Walsh (editors), GP – Greenwood Press, 2008] by Dr. Juliette Peers, volume 1, page 36)

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  6. Funny, When Muslims argue with Christians they appeal to text that Christians do not believe in, that Christians reject, and that has no authority over them.

    When Christians argue with Muslims we appeal to text that Muslims accept, that they believe in, and that have authority over them.

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