Moors Murderer Ian Brady dies, Anglican priest hopes he finds “peace”

Moors Murderer Ian Brady who tortured and killed five children as young as ten has just died of lung cancer aged 79, the media reports. I am more than a little disturbed by some of the Christian reaction to this on social media. Rev Peter Ould is a Church of England priest. On twitter he declared his hope that monster Brady will find “peace”, oh – and he also wishes the same for his victims’ families too. No mention of the children he torchered and killed in cold blood. No mention of the terrible reality of hell fire which Jesus warned his disciples about. Rev Oud then outrageously equated the sins of an average person with the unspeakable evil committed by Brady saying we all have “inexcusable sins”. I want to vomit. 

The moral equivalence here is appalling:

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  1. “forgiveness and freedom from whatever they’ve done”

    al-Isra` 17:14

    (It will be said to him:) “Read thine (own) record: Sufficient is thy soul this day to make out an account against thee.”

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  2. Mohammed killed children…….

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    • Lol, another dumb remark by a dumb Christan apologist.

      You know who actually killed children? The Israelites at your god’s behest.

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    • I hope you find peace

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    • Jesus ordered the killing of children in 1 Samuel 15 according to Trinitarians. Moses killed children in Numbers 31 according to Christians

      Prophet Muhammad never killed children.

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    • jesus punished himself “willingly” by pouring all of Bradley’s sexual acts and murder on himself, which begs the question, did the christian god rape himself and then punish himself?
      then strangely bradeys actions are willed into existence

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    • the problem in believing primitive beliefs like pouring things by transferring them on innocent (like new born babies) and in christian case, celebrating that all of bradey’s sexual rape was “punished on jesus” is not progression for humanity but degradation.

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    • Faiz

      He killed jewşish children of the banu qurayza.

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    • yahya

      I’m not obliged to view moses’s actions as a good example for all time. As for god issuing judgement on his creation – that’s his prerogative.

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    • Burhanuddin1

      I hope you find peace

      I have.

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    • “I’m not obliged to view moses’s actions as a good example for all time. As for god issuing judgement on his creation – that’s his prerogative.”

      moses is like gods friend and speaks to god. saying that moses actions were not good implies god gave moses bad command.

      why do you trust anything moses wrote in genesis?
      .

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    • you have received a text from a person who told people to slay pregnant women.
      why do you trust moses when you said ,
      ” actions as a good example for all time”

      how do you know he didn’t lie about god?
      you shot biblical moses credibility when you said , ” as a good example for all time”
      why do you believe he told the TRUTH about god or told the truth he spoke to god?

      do you believe moses is author of genesis?

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    • “I’m not obliged to view moses’s actions as a good example for all time…”

      but you view moses as meek and humble

      (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

      you believe he was like a friend of god

      you believe he spoke to god and no other (not even you 1 person , 2 natures) got to speak to god face to face

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    • Banu Qurayzah were MEN. Not Children:

      https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/01/01/re-examining-banu-qurayzah-incident/

      Ibn Ishaq:
      “The Apostle had ordered that every adult (who participated in treachery) of theirs should be killed. Shu’ba b. al-Hajjaj told me from Abdu’l-Malik b. Umayr from Atiya al-Qurzai: The Apostle had ordered that every adult of B. Qurayza should be killed. I was a lad and they found that I was NOT AN ADULT and so they let me go.” (Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah – The Life of Muhammad [Translated by A. Guillaume], page 465 – 466)

      SO according to In Ishaq’s own account only ADULT warrior men were dealt with.

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    • Heathcliff

      moses is like gods friend and speaks to god. saying that moses actions were not good implies god gave moses bad command.

      I said that I’m not obliged to imitate moses, bad comprehension boy. Would you behead 12 year olds, like your profit did?

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    • Kevin, you are just another typical apologist who uses deceit to propagate his views. I ask your again you sick coward:

      Was Moses right or wrong when he killed the children?

      Why don’t you answer this question?

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    • Fazi

      Moses was acting according to the will of the living and visible god, who made himself known with his presence, name, and word, to the israelites. They saw the presence of god, were guided through the wilderness by him, saw his glory reflected in moses’ face, witnessed his miracles.

      Mohammed had no witnesses with his encounters with the demon-like entity he was accosted by.

      Regardless, I am not commanded to view Moses’ actions as an example for all time. You have to view mohammed’s having sex with a 9 year old and beheading barely pubescent boys as incredibly exemplary and worthy of imitation. If you don’t like these facts’ then convert to hinduism.

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    • Faiz

      Answer this.

      Brady had sex with his victims, then he killed them. WOuld you argue that the first part of this crime is acceptable since mohammed also had sex with a child?

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    • “Moses was acting according to the will of the living and visible god, who made himself known with his presence, name, and word, to the israelites. ”

      moses told you this? or did the israelites tell you this?
      do you trust moses in what he wrote?

      in the killings which were taking place, can i see the text which says gods presence was among the israelites while they were slaying pregnant women

      do you know, pagans also had the presence of their gods and strangely they did not slay pregnant women

      quote :
      and had taken captive the women and everyone else in it, both young and old. They killed none of them, but carried them off as they went on their way.

      why didn’t your god learn from the pagan gods?

      “They saw the presence of god, were guided through the wilderness by him, saw his glory reflected in moses’ face, witnessed his miracles.”

      moses the pregnant woman slayer told you? do you trust moses ? is moses free from the curse of original sin?

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    • heathcliff

      Is that the best you have? Stop embarrassing yourself and your religion with your dumb comments. Do you have a point?

      Moses was acting according to the will of god, and christians are not obliged to idolize him, so his actions have no bearing on how I conduct my life.

      You are obliged to view mohammed’s child-sex and barbarity as exemplary behaviour.

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    • “Moses was acting according to the will of the living and visible god, who made himself known with his presence, name, and word, to the israelites.”

      the will of god was for moses to rip open pregnant women and 3 year olds ?
      why couldn’t gods presence will them dead without any ripping ?
      can you explain this?
      so why did yhwh need blood of children being spilled and cut open bodies when he was around like other pagan gods?
      tell me why would yhwh need the blood of unborn fetuses?

      why would he need them cut open?


      They saw the presence of god, were guided through the wilderness by him, saw his glory reflected in moses’ face, witnessed his miracles.”

      yet they still disobeyed and broke yhwhs law. so why did your pathetic pagan god not give the sword to the non-jews to have israeli infants slaughtered instead?

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    • Heathcliff

      I’m not obliged to imitate moses – you are obliged to view mohamed’s barbarity as exemplary. This is why muslim extremists keep beheading people, and enslaving non-muslim women. WOuld you behead someone who opposes islam?

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    • Moses was acting according to the will of god,”


      and christians are not obliged to idolize him, ”

      “so his actions have no bearing on how I conduct my life.”

      are you fukin dumb and stupid?
      in the bible, the jews weren’t USING voices of thier god to EXECUTE a people, they were using the barbaric old testament laws and applying it on a people.
      NOWHERE in the jewish bible does it say that you need to HEAR the voice of god or WATCH miracles of god before you KILL and execute.

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    • “I’m not obliged to imitate moses – you are obliged to view mohamed’s barbarity as exemplary. ”

      did yhwh view moses ripping open as exemplary?
      did yhwh make him more meek and humble?
      while moses was conducting the slaying of pregnant women was he loving yhwh with all his heart?

      there is absolutely no where in the religion of islam where killing and warring is exemplary. you swine liar for jesus, making up this sick lies.

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    • “Moses was acting according to the will of god, and christians are not obliged to idolize him, so his actions have no bearing on how I conduct my life.”

      (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

      so do you agree with the author that moses the pregnant woman slayer was meek and humble THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?

      quote :
      idolize
      ˈʌɪd(ə)lʌɪz/Submit
      verb
      verb: idolise
      admire, revere, or love greatly or excessively.

      did jesus think he was “one like unto moses”?

      can you tell me what is special about “moses’ seat”

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    • you have no moral standard you demon possessed fristian

      quote :
      Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

      now what does josh or yeshua do after this encounter few chapter later, he burns to death people who he this are contaminated , apparently the presence of “the lord” can’t cleanse them

      when demon possessed shit bags like you say

      “Mohammed had no witnesses with his encounters with the demon-like entity he was accosted by.”

      i will ask, why is it because muhammad didn’t burn children?

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  3. I think Peters’ comments are inappropriate and lack compassion towards the victims and their families who have had to suffer for years with the grief and anger that comes through such an evil act. If there is a God who judges us after we die then I am sure he will be judged for his actions.

    But our compassion must always first be with the victims, not the perpetrator.

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  4. I don’t understand why Peters thought he has to comment on this publicly. Did he just see an opportunity to get the “we are loving Christians at the CoE” message out there or was he genuinely invested in this killer’s time in prison, so is it a publicity stunt or genuine?

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  5. Kev

    May 16, 2017 • 9:47 am

    yahya

    I’m not obliged to view moses’s actions as a good example for all time. As for god issuing judgement on his creation – that’s his prerogative.

    Jesus has no power but under Romans but he

    -Ransacked peoples table and chairs, then caused property damage and disorderly conduct
    -Insulted a woman and called her dog because he wants to discriminate against her
    -He said this;

    Luke 19:27

    New International Version
    But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.'”

    New Living Translation
    And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king–bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.'”

    and Christians used it to kill and discriminate people at all times. They voted for Donald Trump to discriminate and probably carry the command of Jesus.

    -Jesus as Christians God ordered the killing of children and slitting their throats etc.
    -When Jesus comes back and gain power the way he will kill his enemies and their children is more cruel and barbaric.

    Is Jesus not your role model at all times?

    Thanks.

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    • Kev

      May 16, 2017 • 9:47 am

      yahya

      I’m not obliged to view moses’s actions as a good example for all time. As for god issuing judgement on his creation – that’s his prerogative.

      I say;
      Who is your God issuing judgment? Jesus.

      If you have any sense left in your head, and you are not David Wood, Sam Shamoun or Jay Smith, you will not blame God issuing judgement on his creation. Dr. James White is wise and he does not use that nonsense again.

      Arab Christians call their God Allah. It is in your scripture Allah issued judgement against His creation. How will you then accuse Allah for issuing judgement on His creation?

      Watch this one and be sensible next time. A wise lady who is more educated in Christianity than you.

      Thanks.

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    • quote :
      Jesus has no power but under Romans but he

      -Ransacked peoples table and chairs, then caused property damage and disorderly conduct
      -Insulted a woman and called her dog because he wants to discriminate against her
      -He said this;

      end quote

      when yhwh used to command the butchering of unborn and infants he used to glow like the canaanite gods . according to kev, yhwh was displaying his power full whack, but before he bled to death and died , he had no authority over anything

      when the jews saw yhwhs power on display, they did not say that yhwh was working through satan, but in the flesh gods case, he does LIMITED miracles and they think he is working for satan.

      why did jesus go into a pilgrim full temple and drive out buyers who had probably travelled from long distances? jesus had no power and authority and he wasn’t glowing like yhwh in the olden days.

      so why did jesus stop a torah mandated law when he had no power and authority?

      and who was jesus emulating when trashing the temple? surely joshuah, moses and saul had to come to mind?

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  6. jesus christ “prince of peace”

    BRUCE D CHILTON
    ‘jesus is here PORTRAYED AS USING THE VERY OBJECTS WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE THERE TO CONTROL THE ANIMALS , SO AS TO EXPEL THEM AND THEIR VENDORS
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    quote :
    matthew , mark and luke make it explicitly clear that jesus expelled people engaged in commerce

    quote :

    none of the synoptics explained how jesus could have expected to drive out anyone who made their livelihood without ENCOUNTERING OPPOSITION OR VIOLENCE . john COULD HAVE ADDED THE WHIP TO EXPLAIN HOW jesus ACCOMPLISHED THAT FEAT. ONE CANNOT EXPECT THOSE WHOSE ENTIRE LIVELIHOOD COULD DEPEND ON THE INCOME FROM SUCH TRADE TO BE COWERED BY A MILD-LOOKING WHIP .
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    He made a whip and was whipping people. That’s physical violence. He was preventing people from carrying anything across the courtyard and preventing people from buying and selling animals for sacrifice. He was trying to shut down the Torah mandated function of the Temple altogether at its most busy time and as using physical violence to do so. If a bunch of Muslims went through a church whipping people with bullwhips and trying to shut it down, nobody would say it was not a terrorist attack.

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  7. Kev, you are a coward. You keep bringing up the BanI Qurayza, so let me ask you again:

    Was what was done to the Canaanites right or wrong?

    I know you have refused to answer because you know where it leads, but since youre the one who keeps opening his mouth, here it is again.

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    • Don’t forget what christians are waiting for ….
      “They will join forces to swoop down on Philistia to the west. Together they will attack and plunder the nations to the east. They will occupy the lands of Edom and Moab, and Ammon will obey them”

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    • Faiz

      I keep reponding to your silly questions but the blog admins keep deleting my posts – blame them, not me.

      As for the canaanites, god judges and issues punishment. His business.

      I’m not obliged to view these actions as exemplary, nor am I obliged to imitate them.

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    • Lol, sure, sure.

      You just posted again and failed to answer the questin again! So again, was Moses right or wrong?

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    • Faiz

      Also, where in the quran does it say that mohammed was acting on the explicit orders of the one true god? Mohammed was acting according to his own sense of morality

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    • Faiz

      LOL

      Where in the quran does your god command mohammed to kill 800 jews and enslave their children and wives?

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    • Kev

      May 16, 2017 • 4:33 pm

      Faiz

      I keep reponding to your silly questions but the blog admins keep deleting my posts – blame them, not me.

      As for the canaanites, god judges and issues punishment. His business.

      I’m not obliged to view these actions as exemplary, nor am I obliged to imitate them.

      I say;
      So the God who judged the canaanites is different from Jesus? No wonder you are worshiping more Gods and that is polytheism punishable by hell fire.

      Are you not obliged to imitate Jesus Christ actions? Is Jesus as your God giving commands to kill canaanites not action? Is command not an action? How about Jesus’s own actions?

      -insults and discrimination to a woman and calling her dog?
      -disorderly conduct and property damage?
      -disrespect elders by using “woman” on his mother
      -Giving more commands to kill.

      Luke 19:27

      New International Version
      But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

      All the above are when Jesus was under the the Romans and has no power. When he comes back and gets power he will commit worse atrocities.

      Are you not obliged to view Jesus actions of killings as exemplary and to imitated them?

      Christians use the words of Jesus and his actions to kill and voted for Donald Trump to discriminate everyone except evangelical Christians alone. Is this not obligations and viewing Jesus’s actions and imitating him?

      Thanks.

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  8. I don’t know how anyone can have sympathy for Brady.

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  9. hey kev, can you tell me which verse in the bible does it say

    “do not do my laws of war UNLESS you hear me speak”

    can you show me where this command is located in the 10 commandments?

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  10. Kev, I think it’s time you were given a proper nickname befitting your status as just another Gentile dog, like some of your brethren. Thus, I christen you…Spot.

    So Spot barked:

    “Moses was acting according to the will of the living and visible god, who made himself known with his presence, name, and word, to the israelites. They saw the presence of god, were guided through the wilderness by him, saw his glory reflected in moses’ face, witnessed his miracles.

    Mohammed had no witnesses with his encounters with the demon-like entity he was accosted by.

    Regardless, I am not commanded to view Moses’ actions as an example for all time. You have to view mohammed’s having sex with a 9 year old and beheading barely pubescent boys as incredibly exemplary and worthy of imitation. If you don’t like these facts’ then convert to hinduism.”

    LOL!! So who saw Moses’ encounter with the burning bush?

    Many Muslims witnessed Muhammad’s miracles too you dingbat! Many Muslims also witnessed God’s help when He sent His angels to aid the Muslims in battle. They also witnessed His help when He sent a storm to shatter the pagan army at the Battle of the Trench.

    Who witnessed your false apostle’s Paul’s supposed encounter with “Jesus”, when poor Paul was blinded for 3 days?

    Convert to Hinduism? LOL!! No, no Spot, It actually makes more sense for a pagan sicko like you to convert to Hinduism. Hindus have their own trinity to worship. I’m sure you will feel right at home switching from one pagan religion to another.

    Hey Spot, how old was the mother of your savior when she married Joseph? That was a marriage made in heaven, wasn’t it? 😉

    I’m asking again, you brain dead pagan:

    Was Moses right or wrong when he slaughtered little children and babies and gave virgins to his men?

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  11. Spot barked:

    “Faiz

    Answer this.

    Brady had sex with his victims, then he killed them. WOuld you argue that the first part of this crime is acceptable since mohammed also had sex with a child?”

    Still not answering my question and trying to deflect with stupid counter questions?

    People matured faster in those days. Marrying at an early age was very common. That is why the silly polemic against the Prophet’s marriage to Aisha is a modern one. Before the 20th century, no one criticized Muhammad (pbuh) for it, not even the rabid anti-Muslim Christians. Isn’t that curious?

    So again, how old was the mother of your savior when she married Joseph?

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    • Faiz

      People matured faster in those days.

      LOL!

      Marrying at an early age was more common then, but I don’t think it is a great example to follow. You do, so your answer then is that Brady having sex with his victims was acceptable, even though killing them was not?

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    • Spot barked:

      “LOL!

      Marrying at an early age was more common then, but I don’t think it is a great example to follow. You do, so your answer then is that Brady having sex with his victims was acceptable, even though killing them was not?”

      LOL, what a mook! Spot, I know it’s hard boy to think clearly, with your holy spirit clouding your mind, but try anyway.

      The example to follow is not the age of marriage, but the fact that maturity was main factor for marriage. We follow that example, not the age. In those days, people were expected to mature faster and carry many responsibilities which would be unthinkable in modern times. It wasn’t just marriage, but other responsibilities as well, such as fighting in battle, hunting and physical labor.

      I ask again you silly Gentile mutt. How old was the mother of your savior when she married Joseph? Why did your god choose such a marriage to be born into? Come on now. Answer the question, Spot the cowardly dog!

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    • “The alternative is horrific: muslims idolize a man who had no divine command to issue divine judgement and who, thus, must have been acting on his own barbaric sense of ethics. No surprise people of limited intellectual capability like Faiz resort to name-calling. I applaud you for calling them on it.”

      your pagan blood thirsty canaanite diety who dreams about swiming in childrens blood told david, moses , soul and others to RIP open a woman like this

      yhwh was showing his “love” to the child?

      yhwh says about children:

      And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

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  12. Spot barked:

    “Also, where in the quran does it say that mohammed was acting on the explicit orders of the one true god? Mohammed was acting according to his own sense of morality”

    LOL, so if I show you where this is stated, you will accept that it was from God and thus see nothing wrong with it?

    “Sense of morality”? That’s rich! This is coming from a sick pagan who believes that his bipolar god ordered the murders of innocent babies and then came down as a human and preached “love”, only to threaten who doesn’t believe in him with eternal hellfire! Maybe your god needs some medication to treat the bipolar symptoms?

    So anyway, Spot…ask and you shall receive:

    “And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will.

    And those of the People of the Book who aided them – Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners” (Surah Al-Ahzaab, 33:25-26).

    So this passage says that God punished the Jews who aided the pagans. Some of them were killed and some were taken as prisoners. So you see, the punishment of the Bani Qurayzah was divinely inspired.

    We also find the following from the ahadith:

    ” Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:

    Some people (i.e. the Jews of Bani bin Quraiza) agreed to accept the verdict of Sa`d bin Mu`adh so the Prophet (ﷺ) sent for him (i.e. Sa`d bin Mu`adh). He came riding a donkey, and when he approached the Mosque, the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Get up for the best amongst you.” or said, “Get up for your chief.” Then the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “O Sa`d! These people have agreed to accept your verdict.” Sa`d said, “I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives.” The Prophet said, “You have given a judgment similar to Allah’s Judgment (or the King’s judgment).”

    :” Narrated `Aisha:

    When Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, “You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet.” Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “Where (to go now)?” Gabriel said, “This way,” pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) went out towards them .”

    So you Spot, the command to fight the Bani Qurayza and punish them was from God.

    Your question has been answered. Now will you finally answer mine:

    Was the killing of Canaanite babies right or wrong?

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    • Faiz

      Poor fool – all you have is insults. You are so stupid.

      Nowhere in that quran verse does it mention a time, place, nor name of any tribe or group called the banu qurayza – you even have to refer to some man made hadith written hundreds of miles away in ancient persia decades and centuries after mohammed died to make sense of your silly holy book.

      There is absolutely nothing in the text that is specific – that’s why muslims had to make up some stories in the hadith to make sense of their book. LOL.

      You haven’t even come close to answering my questions. So please do so. Where does the quran command mohammed to kill innocent children? Or was mohammed using his own moral sense to kill innocent people?

      Plus, you never answered from the other post – what is exemplary about murdering innocent people and taking their wives and babies as slaves?

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    • kev,

      :
      the bible says about the pagans :

      and had taken captive the women and everyone else in it, both young and old. They killed none of them, but carried them off as they went on their way.

      this means their fitra was not corrupt as the hebrews who went around opening stomachs of pregnant women and putting sword through 3 year olds

      few questions for you

      1. was moses the pregnant woman slayer meek and humble and no one was meek and humble like him on the face of the earth?

      2. did moses love god with all his heart when he was slicing stomachs?

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    • kev , we know what soldiers did in bc times. why are you shedding crocodile tears about what human do to humans when you believe “meek and humble” people did sickest thing ?

      say if you knew what horny hebrew soldier did to pre -pubescent girl in his bed room, lets say he raped her to death

      would you call this sin or would you call this “gods judgement his business?”

      if you allow the slicing of a pregnant woman and her unborn, what then is the difference if she is raped/shagged to death?

      what is the different if one of the stolen pre-pubescent is raped to death?

      why are you shedding crocodile tears on what humans do to humans when swines like you believe that god told a people (sinners) to OPEN NEW born and unborn ?

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    • Spot, you hilarious mutt! What a typical response from a brain dead Christian who is way out of his league, yet cannot bring himself around to admit when he’s wrong! Man, that holy spirit really did a number on you. LOL!!

      The Quran doesn’t have to mention Bani Qurayza by name you moron. The Quran speaks to people of knowledge, not morons like you. From the context, it is clear that it is talking about the Bani Qurayza. Who else could it be? If we read Surah 33 starting from verse 9, we can see that it is talking about the events surrounding the Battle of the Trench. It specifically refers to a great battle and a storm which shattered the pagan army. That occurred during the Battle of the Trench. It refers to the hypocrites and their lack of faith during that dangerous time. That occurred during the Battle of the Trench. It specifically refers to the pagans as the “Confederates”, which refers to the alliance of the pagan tribes against the Muslims. That occurred during the Battle of the Trench. Finally, it refers to the “people of the book” and how they were removed from their “strongholds”. That occurred after the Battle of the Trench, when the Bani Qurayza were removed from their fortress. See a pattern, boy? Your special pleading will not save you. Your ignorance and stupidity is exposed for all to see. Save yourself further humiliation by just admitting that you are wrong.

      So, since it is crystal clear (unless you a brain dead Gentile mutt named Spot the Cowardly Dog), we can conclude from your logic that there was nothing wrong with the punishment of the Bani Qurayzah. It was done according to God’s will.

      I actually did already answer your question, silly boy. I know you have reading comprehension problems, but that’s no excuse. It was indeed exemplary because the Prophet ONLY punished the ringleaders and their soldiers. Anyone who did not cooperate with the ringleaders was left alone. In fact, most of them later became Muslims. Alhamdulillah!

      In contrast, your mangod commanded the killing of innocent babies. Do you see why no one here takes your crocodile tears for the Bani Qurayza seriously? We laugh at you, you idiot, because you are so blinded by your holy spirit to see the facts and to use your head. You hilariously talk about “morals”, yet you believe in a god who ordered the murders of thousands of children and babies. Your god seems worse than pagan deities like Chemosh (which according to your Bible was offered child sacrifices). How different is your god from the likes of Chemosh or Kali, bloodthirsty pagan gods who demand child sacrifices? You are a pagan masquerading as a monotheist. You should be ashamed for being such a hypocritical piece of slime. Until you open your eyes, expect more people to laugh at you, like I am now…hahahaha!

      Oh and before I forget, answer my question, you coward:

      Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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    • Faiz

      Thank you for providing greater detail regarding this often controversial incident. I understand that the hadith according to Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri states that the women and children were taken as captives. What were the rights of ‘captives’ under Muslim rule and were they free to leave as the Qurasysh were after the conquering of Mecca?

      Thanks

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    • Faiz

      LOL – your prophet was a dog.

      Who else could the quran be talking about? What a complete moron you are. The answer to your question is that the quran could have been talking about anyone – that’s a huge problem. You simply cannot know that this verse applies to the specific incident with the banu quraya – the text doesn’t say anything even remotely like that.

      And you still have the problem that nowhere in your book does it explicitly say that mohammed is commanded to perform the savage acts of murder and enslavement that he relished doing. The moral authority for the mass murder of the banu comes entirely from a human being.

      The only reference to the battle of the trench comes from man made hadith that were written years after the events – also known as making stuff up that doesn’t exist in the text.

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    • Lol, and Spot’s humiliation continues! It could be talking about anyone? Holy Spirit fail! You’re the one making stuff up you pagan. Every one with a working brain can figure out that the Quran is talking about the Bani Qurayza. Your holy spirit has rotted your brain. It has turned you into a canine zombie. No wonder you can’t count either. I mean 1+1+1=1! Hilarious!

      You should go worship Kali, because she is a bloodthirsty deity that demands the killing of children too! Hey, that’s two things that you would be comfortable with in Hinduism. 😉

      Still not answering the question, eh? You definitely have earned the title Spot the Cowardly Dog!

      Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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    • “And you still have the problem that nowhere in your book does it explicitly say that mohammed is commanded to perform the savage acts of murder and enslavement that he relished doin”

      is it savage to rip open heavily pregnant women you filthy gentile dog ?

      i will ask again was your filthy canaanite glowing god a filthy savage for commanding the ripping open of heavily pregnant women ?

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    • who give you an authority and standard when unborn are ripped out of their mothers wombs in the torah? jesus loved the torah stories and used to praise moses for his faith. he used to praise his savage self as well by worshipping it in human form. you filthy gentile dog, you have no measure and authority.

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    • Brother Heath,

      Spot won’t answer your questions because he is just coward with a big mouth. He will either refuse to answer or dance around the question and claim that he answered. His holy spirit is a lying spirit, it seems. Hahahaha!

      Hopefully, there is a special place in hell for the likes of Spot and his demented, lying brethren. If course, there is always the chance that he will eventually take his head out of his rear end, if God wills it.

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    • The irony here is that Spot claims that the Quran does not mention the Bani Qurayza and also dismisses the hadiths on the subject. But what this moron doesn’t realize is that the entire Bani Qurayza incident, which he has been ranting about due to its alleged “savagery”, is also found entirely in the hadiths! Go figure! Christian logic strikes again. If there was a better example of how Christianity rots the brain, I have not seen it. Spot is the best evidence yet. LOL!!

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    • out of curiosity brother faiz are you from the uk ? i remember watching “spot the dog” on children’s bbc .

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    • Although I don’t find it comfortable with the “name calling” used in this debate, kudos to Faiz and Heathcliff to expose the Christian hypocrisy and their inability to answer the pertinent questions.

      Hiding behind God’s judgement is the worst excuse I have seen and infact insults God while implying His acts are not deemed morally right.

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    • Gabriel Jesus

      There is no such thing as hiding behind god’s judgement – no one can judge god’s judgements as someone who has “submitted”, you should understand this. The true god’s judgement on ancient people’s has no bearing on my life, nor on the lives of any christian. These are judgements and punishments intended for a specific period of history, to be enacted in a specific location at a specific time. I’m not required to find these exemplary, nor imitable.

      If you are arguing that god cannot issue moral judgements and punish accordingly, then you are dishonest, and lying to yourself. The key here is that with these judgements on ancient peoples god is not illustrating modes, or examples of behaviour for daily life. These are specific judgements made at a a specific time.

      These verses can even be inerrant and not be relating historical events – they could be parables illustrating god’s power,purity and judgement on the unrepentant.

      For muslims, mohammed’s actions are deemed exemplary – his killing of innocents and enslaving women and children has to be viewed as exemplary moral behaviour, despite there being flimsy indication that mohammed was acting on the direct command from some deity. This is why idiots like Faiz and heathcliff have to insult critics and delude themselves into believing that a text that makes absolutely no mention of banu qurayza is making specific reference to these very people.

      The alternative is horrific: muslims idolize a man who had no divine command to issue divine judgement and who, thus, must have been acting on his own barbaric sense of ethics. No surprise people of limited intellectual capability like Faiz resort to name-calling. I applaud you for calling them on it.

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    • Faiz

      You ignorant pig, dog-prophet worshiper.

      Please cite the places in the quranic text where it mentions the banu qurayza, commands that snoopy behead barely pubescent boys, and enslave infants and women. Where does it mention a battle of the trench – anything PLEASE that logically supports your insane claim that a vague rambling set of verses in the quran is making specific reference to a particular historical event.

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    • “You ignorant pig, dog-prophet worshiper.”

      I see, symptoms of the peace you found I guess.

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    • Burhanuddin1

      “I see, symptoms of the peace you found I guess.”

      You guess right. It’s hard to look when the example set by your prophet is reflected back at you. LOL

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    • the abyss of HS inhabitation

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    • burhanuddin

      SNideness aside – maybe you can help the great example of muslim conduct, Faiz, to find the part of the quranic text where mohammed is given specific commands to murder innocent people and enslave the survivors?

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    • Kev, can you summarize the views of secular scholars of the Quran on the descriptions of battles in the Quran?

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    • kmak

      Do you have a point? Or maybe you can show me where in the text it plainly, clearly, and with certainty says that mohammed is commanded to murder the banu and enslave the survivors?

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    • Kev,

      As you said no one can judge God’s judgements, but the difference is Muslims believe God’s judgements are always morally right whereas you have a difficulty in accepting that what God did to the Canaanites was morally right. Whether it was in a specific period of history or in the future, our belief is firm that God’s judgements are always right. But, you have a problem with God’s judgments and keeps evading the question Faiz has been asking over and over. It is not enough to say it has no bearing on you, you should be also able to say it was the right judgement and explain it theologically.

      Kev said :

      If you are arguing that god cannot issue moral judgements and punish accordingly, then you are dishonest, and lying to yourself. The key here is that with these judgements on ancient peoples god is not illustrating modes, or examples of behaviour for daily life. These are specific judgements made at a a specific time. ”

      They may not be examples of behavior for daily life, but if an exact similar situation occurs then are we to ignore the exemplary behavior of the prophets in the past.? If so, then what is the point in these teachings. What you are basically saying is that these inspired verses of the Bible are not only useless, but they shouldn’t be practiced as well. That’s an insult to the Bible and the divine wisdom of God.

      Kev said:
      “These verses can even be inerrant and not be relating historical events – they could be parables illustrating god’s power,purity and judgement on the unrepentant. ”

      Another laughable excuse of hiding behind parables. We can clearly see the problems in the Bible when you put forth arguments with no basis.

      Kev said:
      “For muslims, mohammed’s actions are deemed exemplary – his killing of innocents and enslaving women and children has to be viewed as exemplary moral behaviour, despite there being flimsy indication that mohammed was acting on the direct command from some deity.”

      This point has been refuted already by Faiz, so it doesn’t hold water. First, we don’t consider killing of innocents as lawful, secondly Banu Qurayza was not innocent and they were judged by the same Torah they believed in and thirdly there is clear evidences that Muhammad(as) was acting on the direct command of Allah(swt), especially given the fact that the Battle of the Trench was won with God’s help and no real fight.

      Kev said:

      This is why idiots like Faiz and heathcliff have to insult critics and delude themselves into believing that a text that makes absolutely no mention of banu qurayza is making specific reference to these very people.”

      You are no better when it comes to insults. Brother Faiz absolutely destroyed your argument on this point. If there is no mention of Banu Qurayza, then why are you even arguing about killing of Banu Qurayza? Be consistent.

      Kev said:

      The alternative is horrific: muslims idolize a man who had no divine command to issue divine judgement and who, thus, must have been acting on his own barbaric sense of ethics. ”

      Actually, Muhammad(saw)’s actions in Banu Qurayza is far better than what was done to the Canaanites in the Bible. In other words, better sense of ethics than what your God supposedly ordained. You have absolutely no argument here. If you are hiding behind the excuse of divine judgement for all the immoralities committed, then you are in no position to criticize any of the wars of Muhammad(saw).

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    • Excellent response brother Gabriel!

      Spot has no firm ground to stand on. He deludes only himself with his pathetic excuses.

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  13. kev:

    Burhanuddin1

    I hope you find peace

    I have.

    //////

    can you explain what you mean?
    did you find peace in wine and biscuits?
    i guess you get drunk and think you have peace

    can you explain your relationship with your god? is it a violent one?

    i guess, if you have to imagine the cross and a god who rapes himself with past, present and future sins, then your relationship MUST be a VIOLENT one

    christianity GLORIFIES self violence.

    women have to put up with husband abuse because they “take up the cross”

    tell the truth, how can you say you found peace when you eat wounds, blood and flesh?

    you are a sick christian who carries the instrument of torture , death and violence around your neck

    don’t tell me that you have found peace.

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  14. “These are judgements and punishments intended for a specific period of history, to be enacted in a specific location at a specific time. I’m not required to find these exemplary, nor imitable.”

    the people who “prophesied”

    your animal “man-god” were BUTCHERS , rapists, and MURDERERS

    so what do you tell your children about moses the pregnant woman slayer ? do you say he was meek and humble?

    (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

    the practices in the torah have been imitable throughout christian history.

    yhwh says :

    “But the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land; and aliens will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the LORD’s land as male and female slaves; they will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.

    so which system does yhwh want them to emulate? is it the one found in Deut 20:10-18?
    moses already emulated the system set forth in Deut 20:10-18 in Judg 21:10-
    14.


    If you are arguing that god cannot issue moral judgements and punish accordingly, then you are dishonest, and lying to yourself. The key here is that with these judgements on ancient peoples god is not illustrating modes, or examples of behaviour for daily life. These are specific judgements made at a a specific time.”

    “But the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land; and aliens will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the LORD’s land as male and female slaves; they will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them.

    so which system does yhwh want them to emulate? is it the one found in Deut 20:10-18?
    moses already emulated the system set forth in Deut 20:10-18 in Judg 21:10-
    14.

    “– they could be parables illustrating god’s power,purity and judgement on the unrepentant.”

    do you believe the flood really took place or do you think it is old testament “bull shit” rapped in parable ?

    do you believe any combats took place in the ot, or does your god like to boast about how he likes to open heavily pregnant females in parables ?

    is moses a parable?
    is joshua a parable?

    is adams a parable?

    you sound very ashamed of your gods butchery .

    was saul being told off for not obeying a parable?

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  15. the pregnant women

    “The total of those who fell that day, both men and women, was twelve thousand—all the people of Ai.”

    by the blessing of yhwh, heavily pregnant women were opened that day. did jesus ever weep when he worshipped himself in human form?

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  16. Mohammed’s night raids on poytheists are examplary. Three times he replied indifferently “they are from them” when told that women and children had died as a result of them.

    We also know from islamic sources that Mohammed used a catapult to besiege civilian settlements.

    Very enlightened forms of warfare.

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    • Lol, yes when compared to deliberately kIlling babies. Your mangod followed a scorched earth policy of terror. You guys are such losers! Hahahaha!

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    • And Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Sam 15:1‑3)

      https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvhDNnFGOolIV3DXpS587RTErlj-raJiAYTBnKVhLn2OLbST97ug

      And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad–they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

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    • was there any collateral damage when yhwh told the hebrews to butcher unborn and infant? oh, i forgot, yhwh told the hebrews to leave no one alive.

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  17. Patrobin said:

    “aiz

    Thank you for providing greater detail regarding this often controversial incident. I understand that the hadith according to Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri states that the women and children were taken as captives. What were the rights of ‘captives’ under Muslim rule and were they free to leave as the Qurasysh were after the conquering of Mecca?

    Thanks”

    Hi Patrobin.

    Regarding the rights of captives, see the following article: http://abuaminaelias.com/mercy-towards-prisoners-of-war-in-islam/

    Regarding the Bani Qurayza captives, some were freed later on, and others were ransomed to the other Jewish tribes in Arabia. Some were also sold to pagan tribes but later became Muslims when those tribes converted to Islam. See the following for more: http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2012/07/03/a-balanced-explanation-of-the-banu-qurayza-controversy/

    Hope this helps.

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  18. Gabriel Jesus said:

    “Although I don’t find it comfortable with the “name calling” used in this debate, kudos to Faiz and Heathcliff to expose the Christian hypocrisy and their inability to answer the pertinent questions.

    Hiding behind God’s judgement is the worst excuse I have seen and infact insults God while implying His acts are not deemed morally right.”

    Hi Gabriel.

    Thanks for your input. It is never my intention to resort to name-calling, but the fact is that the majority of Christian apologists are vehemently and rabidly anti-Islamic. Having a polite conversation with these people is impossible. The only language they understand is one with name-calling. It puts them in their place. I don’t see any reason to hold back against such despicable people, so why not have a laugh instead?

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    • Agree with you on the behavior of the Christian apologists. Being led by the likes of Sam and David, no wonder they show their un-Christian attitude. I felt that the really good arguments put forth were being offset by Ad-hominem attacks, more so by brother Heathcliff. I believe the silent readers of the forum like me wouldn’t want to read personal remarks between the debaters.

      By the way I should mention that I visited your blog few years back and the articles on Isaac(as)/Ismael(as) just confirmed to me then that the Biblical stories were not fully reliable.

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    • Glad you like the article on Ishmael and Isaac!

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  19. Spot the Cowardly Dog barked:

    “Faiz

    You ignorant pig, dog-prophet worshiper.

    Please cite the places in the quranic text where it mentions the banu qurayza, commands that snoopy behead barely pubescent boys, and enslave infants and women. Where does it mention a battle of the trench – anything PLEASE that logically supports your insane claim that a vague rambling set of verses in the quran is making specific reference to a particular historical event.”

    LOL, still not getting it? The Quran mentions all the pertinent information about the Battle of the Trench, as I already showed. If you cannot see the clear facts, its because you are a loser. Christianity has rotted your brain.

    You are so utterly inept, you don’t realize the stupidity of your argument. It’s stupid on two levels:

    1. You reject the hadiths which provide information about the Bani Qurayza incident, you you also seem to accept the veracity of the hadiths since you obviously believe that the incident actually happened, and thus why you are even arguing about it.

    2. Even if your hilarious argument about the Quran had any merit (which it doesn’t), the fact still remains that Surah Al-Ahzaab says that the killing of some of the “people of the book” and enslaving of others was ordained by God. Thus, even if it’s not referring to the Bani Qurayza (which it actually is), what happened to the Bani Qurayza was clearly in line with God’s will.

    Now, I know it’s hard for your feeble mind to grasp this logic, but that’s your problem. Blame the holy spirit for rotting your brain. 😉

    Answer my question, Spot:

    Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

    The longer you ignore this question, the more embarrassing it becomes for you.

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  20. Brother Heath,

    I am not familiar with “Spot the dog”. I actually live in the United States. Here, there is a children’s cartoon called “Courage the Cowardly Dog”.

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  21. Was it right or wrong of your prophet to send his jihadis to attack and kill the polytheists and their families on night raids? Attacking families sleeping in their beds.

    Will you admit his moral culpability?

    Upon being told of the deaths of women and children Mohammed shrugs his shoulders and gives his approval three times and then he does a U turn and forbids it.

    Why does he send his jihadis to do something that he will later forbid? Was he learning ethics on the fly?

    How can a perfect god and his prophet perform such U turns?

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    • Ignoramus,

      You ignored the chapter heading in Sahih Muslim which explains what these ahadith mean:

      “Permissibility of killing women and children in night raids, [b]so long as it is not done deliberately[/b]”.

      Thus, night raids were allowed during war as a means of surprising and attacking the enemy. It was not allowed to deliberately target women and children. But night raids had to be conducted as a means of strategy. It wasn’t a game of chess. It was war.

      But the question is who are you to take offense at this? You defend the DELIBERATE killing of children and babies! What part of that don’t you losers understand? You are in no moral position to complain about the way the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fought a war.

      Maybe you can answer the question that your bro Spot has avoided like the plague:

      Was the (deliberate) killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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  22. 181 hadith found in ‘The Book of Jihad and Expedition (Kitab Al-Jihad wal-Siyar)‘ of Sahih Muslim.

    4319 It is narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.

    4320 It is narrated by Ibn ‘Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.

    4321 It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

    4322 It is narrated by Sa’b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.

    4323 Sa’b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.

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    • Yes all very interesting. What of it?

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    • Sorry, I replied to the wrong post.

      Ignoramus,

      You ignored the chapter heading in Sahih Muslim which explains what these ahadith mean:

      “Permissibility of killing women and children in night raids, [b]so long as it is not done deliberately[/b]”.

      Thus, night raids were allowed during war as a means of surprising and attacking the enemy. It was not allowed to deliberately target women and children. But night raids had to be conducted as a means of strategy. It wasn’t a game of chess. It was war.

      But the question is who are you to take offense at this? You defend the DELIBERATE killing of children and babies! What part of that don’t you losers understand? You are in no moral position to complain about the way the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fought a war.

      Maybe you can answer the question that your bro Spot has avoided like the plague:

      Was the (deliberate) killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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    • quote :

      So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent; and there it was, hidden in his tent with the silver underneath. They took them out of the tent and brought them to Joshua and all the Israelites; and they spread them out before Yahweh. Then Joshua and all Israel with him took Achan son of Zerah, with the silver, the mantle, and the bar of gold, with his sons and daughters, with his oxen, donkeys, and sheep, and his tent and all that he had; and they brought them up to the Valley of Achor. Joshua said, “Why did you bring trouble on us? Yahweh is bringing trouble on you today.” And all Israel stoned him to death; they burned them with fire, cast stones on them, and raised over him a great heap of stones that remains to this day. Then Yahweh turned from his burning anger. Therefore that place to this day is called the Valley of Achor. (Josh 7:22-26)

      brother FAiz, you wrote :

      What part of that don’t you losers understand? You are in no moral position to complain about the way the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fought a war.

      ::::

      we also have young children getting stoned and burnt because of “yhwhs burning anger”

      can any christian demonstrate how children were stoned and then burnt to death
      ?

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  23. “You ignored the chapter heading in Sahih Muslim which explains what these ahadith mean:”

    ““Permissibility of killing women and children in night raids, [b]so long as it is not done deliberately[/b]”.”

    I reply:

    The words were spoken long before the heading was written. They are self explanatory besides being contradictory both forbidding and allowing the same thing.

    The heading is someone’s later pathetic attempt to make something rational and humane out of the sayings.

    Who knows the real chronological order of these sayings? If the hadith are listed according to chronological sequence Mohammed changed his mind and permitted the killing of women and children after he had prohibited the same. No one knows.

    He shows a callous disregard for the value of human life, but it’s only the kuffar, so why should a Muslim get upset about it, right? Sedition is worse than slaughter so a Muslim should have no qualms about slaughtering should he? Then he has to to think of the rewards.

    According to the law of Moses he and his jihadis would be put to death for murder and manslaughter.

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    • the law of moses allowed the killing of unborn and infants. don’t talk to me about “human life”

      quote :
      Image result for collateral damage
      Collateral damage is a general term for deaths, injuries, or other damage inflicted on an unintended target. In American military terminology, it is used for the incidental killing or wounding of non-combatants or damage to non-combatant property during an attack on a legitimate military target.

      now don’t be a fristian hypocrite and tell me how much deliberate and unintended attacks were taking place?

      i asked you on

      May 18, 2017 • 6:54 pm
      was there any collateral damage when yhwh told the hebrews to butcher unborn and infant? oh, i forgot, yhwh told the hebrews to leave no one alive.

      you didn’t answer this question.

      can you tell me why prophet muhammad STOPPED attacking in NIGHT?

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    • “According to the law of Moses he and his jihadis would be put to death for murder and manslaughter.”

      was it murder and manslaughter to deliberately cut the necks of 3 YEAR OLD ?
      should yhwh judge himself and apply the law of moses on himself?

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    • LOL Ignoramus!

      What is with you Christians and your inability to understand that you are in no moral position to criticize the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? Get this through your head your loser pagan: your Bible says that your mangod ordered the killing of children and babies. There was a deliberate and callous disregard for the value of human life. Your god is no different than other equally bloodthirsty pagan gods like Kali. You idiots defend Biblical genocide yet criticize Muhammad (pbuh) for doing far less. Why would anyone take you numskulls seriously?

      According to the law of Moses, Moses and his Israelite hordes would have been put to death for murder and infanticide. LOL!!!

      I find it hilarious how you idiots usually deny the veracity and reliability of the hadiths (i.e. they were written 200 years after Muhammad), but when it suits your propaganda, you consider them to be reliable. Consistency is not a forte of trinitarian pagans, it would seem…

      The meaning of the hadiths about the night raids is clear when we look at all the hadiths in context. The general command prohibiting the killing of women and children refers to a deliberate act, such as the one taken by the Biblical Moses and his hordes. Obviously, during daytime battles, there is no excuse in killing a woman or a child because they can be easily distinguished from armed soldiers. During night battles, however, it would obviously be difficult to distinguish. They didn’t have smart bombs or night vision goggles in those days. Thus, an attack on an enemy town during the night would carry the risk of civilian casualties. The hadith states that it is a necessary risk to take during wartime. But, civilians cannot be deliberately targeted. What this means is that every step needs to be taken to avoid harming civilians.

      In contrast, your mangod commanded the deliberate murders of men, women, children, babies and animals. It was a scorched earth policy of religious terror. That puts you between a rock and a hard place and is the reason why everyone laughs at your attempts to make your pathetic religion appear superior to Islam.

      Now Ignoramus, everyone here has answered all of your (stupid) questions. Now answer mine:

      Was the (deliberate) killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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  24. “can you tell me why prophet muhammad STOPPED attacking in NIGHT?”

    According to the hadiths I quoted he forbade the practice twice and allowed it three times. That’s a three to two majority in favour.

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  25. The hadiths don’t relate whether the jihadis have killed women and children during the night raids by mistake or otherwise.

    Mohammed does not clarify this in response to being questioned or told about it.

    So his permission applies to both situations.

    His tacit approval of the deliberate killing of women and children indicates that if it happens it happens and there won’t be any consequences or any questions asked. The death of polytheist women and children is a small evil for a greater good.

    I am shocked that there are Muslims like Faiz who approve of this form of warfare which is purely a savage and inhumane attack justified solely by the religious worldview of those being attacked.

    If Mohammed was an exemplary human being he would not have behaved in such a way.

    Perhaps Faiz should pack his bags and go to Syria where he could perhaps find a vunerable civilian population on which he can act out his sick nighttime fantasies and emulate his hero.

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    • LOL Ignoramus! You really must be stupid!

      How else do you suppose civilians would be killed during NIGHT raids? Why are NIGHT raids specifically mentioned in the hadith? Why not DAY raids?

      To those whose brains have not been rotted by the irrational doctrines of Christianity, it is clear that the hadith is referring to non-deliberate killing of women and children.

      Your Bible says that your mangod commanded the killing of children. It would really be no different for you to worship Kali rather than your bipolar mangod. Maybe you should join Joseph Kony and the Lord’s Resistance Army. They are also supportive of killing women and children in the name of their god.

      Still not answering my question? Man, how many Christians is that now? Let’s see…one, two, three, four. Four pagan Christians have refused to answer my question!!

      Here it is again:

      Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

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  26. “4322 It is narrated by Sa’b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.”

    Here we see the sick jihadis affirming to Mohammed that they kill children during the night raids simply out of habit conforming to their own norm of established practice.

    How does Mohammed respond to this sick boast?

    He just says in effect, so what?

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    • LOL, what an idiot!

      If it was out of habit, they would do it during any raid, NIGHT or DAY. But they specifically said that it happened during the NIGHT raids, when distinguishing between soldiers and civilians was impossible.

      If it was out of habit, then why were they even asking the Prophet about it? The answer is because they knew that he had forbidden the deliberate killing of women and children.

      Give it up you sick pagan hypocrite. No matter how much you complain, you only dig yourself into a deeper hole and expose yourself as a satanic liar who defends Biblical genocide and then complains about other religions. No one is taking your seriously. We are only laughing at you and your pathetic crocodile tears. Hahahahaha!

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    • i wonder if lizz pretends to be kev?

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  27. So the islamic jihadis kill everything that moves during the night raids on civilian settlements. If its a male polytheist of military age all well and good, if not it’s just collateral damage.

    You portray this as innocent unintentional killing to defend your so-called superior Islamic moral ethic. Any neutral and sane person would find this appalling.

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  28. Unintentional killing is manslaughter according to the law of Moses and is culpable according to the circumstances.

    Attacking a civilian settlement at night because they are polytheists makes it culpable.

    Are you proud of your great moral example Faiz for this ethical ruling?

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  29. Shouldn’t be that hard to find a settlement of polytheists in America that you can attack at night should it Faiz?

    What’s holding you up man?

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  30. When you gonna do your Rambo thing Faiz? Your chance to be on breaking news 🙂

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  31. All them polytheists all around you Faiz sleeping in their beds waiting to get killed.

    You can’t pass up this great chance can you Faiz?

    And such a handsome reward 🙂

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    • All those Canaanite babies waiting in their mothers arms to be killed by your mangod’s hordes.

      And all those African children waiting to be killed by your mangod’s resistance army. Run to join them Ignoramus!

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    • Your pagan man-god told you to “take up the cross”

      So

      1. Do you live in a card board box?

      2. Do you allow your persecutors to slap you around?

      3. Are you homeless and scavenging from fig trees and dustbins?

      4. Are you running to the mountains like a coward when persecution gets intense?

      5. Do you turn the other cheek by calling 999?

      6. Do you watch the rape of your family and turn the cheek?

      if “no” to 5 and 6 and “no” to 1-5, you will not see the kingdom of your false god.

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  32. So Ignoramus,

    Was the killing of Canaanite children right or wrong?

    Go ask your mangod if you need to. I’ll wait here for you. 😉

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  33. Faiz the sicko said: “If it was out of habit, they would do it during any raid, NIGHT or DAY. But they specifically said that it happened during the NIGHT raids, when distinguishing between soldiers and civilians was impossible.”

    LOL, what a great way to get round the prohibition on killing women and children. Just do it at night so you have a good excuse.

    Jihadi: I didn’t mean to kill any women and children but I couldn’t see what got in the way of my sword, cos it was too dark, duh

    We just trampled all of the polytheists to death with our cavalry swinging our swords as we went along. It was too dark to tell if there was any women and children around. Sorry.

    If I could have made out a woman or a child I definitely would not have shot my arrows in that direction, but it was just too dark to tell. duh.

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