Christians like Paulus below often argue that this verse indicates that Jesus rejected the law of the Torah, in preference to some form of inner spirituality which is supposedly the essence of the Law (cue in Paul’s Gospel of Freedom from the Law).
But the verse gives no indication that he rejected the law in its entirety, nor does it indicate anything other than that he was making a simple point about the spiritually cleansing effect of willful charity, the same point that the Qur’an and Hadeeth make about obligatory Zakat charity and voluntary sadaqa charity.
As Paul W. and Nazam point out, if indeed it was his own blood upon the cross that “washes us clean” then why didn’t Jesus himself clearly indicate that, rather than saying instead, that it is Charity (not his blood) that is spiritually cleansing (something that agrees with Islamic teachings).
from a health perspective the pharisee who questioned jesus had a point . since jesus didn’t know about germs it makes sense why he would not think it important to wash hands. there are extremists on both sides.
paulus, after you visit toilet are you christ like or pharisee like, please tell me.
pauliz, how much do you know about izlamic “repetitive prayers”
quote :
not everyone that prays performs salat. Salat comes from the word Sila ( a connection) and unless one is connected to Allah then what they are doing is simply movements with no connection to Allah and therefore is NOT SALAT. What Allah says is 100% truth. If you pray with the connection you will abstain from fahsha and munkar with no conditions.
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pauliz, i think you didn’t know this. if you did, you wouldn’t have uttered the crap you are saying about “repetitive prayers”
Sufis are a minority and not one of the fastest growing sect. Regarding rituals, it depends on how much faith and intention one has when doing them. I haven’t heard anyone who came back from Hajj saying it was anything other than a refreshing spiritual experience.
Hajj is a one off, so I can appreciate that people feel something doing it. But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.
When you emphasise external ritual, this is the result. Which is why in places like Indonesia, the majority of Muslims commit shirk daily. They’ve taken the facade of Islam but underneath still maintain animism because Islam is just external ritual. No heart or soul
This is a very very huge subjectivist fallacy being commited here,
You’re speaking of spirituality from a subjective view,thats like saying
Since you have to keep praying to Jesus in Christianity you should start praying to Ram or Shiva for more spirituality,you’re basically saying if a religion is “boring” you should switch from that religion which is,a really stupid reason to convert.
I mean the definition of Spirituality varies, Spirituality can even be Meditating without believing in God,but Islamic spirituality is much different
As for your Claim on Sufism,that is a red herring,we’re speaking about Mainstream Islam here. where did Sufism come in the middle?
And how can you Islam isnt spiritual,have you ever done the Islamic prayer? Spirituality is based on Experience its not based on what you think it is,so have you even went to a mosque,read the Quran,or prayed 5 prayers or recited the Name of God daily? I doubt you ever have,you say the name of man and call Man A god,and that is why your religion is error,not ours.
As I alluded to earlier, the quality of the prayers depends on the strength of faith one has. This is mentioned in the Qur’an in [23:2]
In Islam, faith and deeds go together. There is no point in having faith without deeds and deeds without the right faith and intention.
You won’t find one verse in the Qur’an where the rituals/deeds are emphasised more than faith. So, your opinion doesn’t have any scriptural basis. If you look at the development of Islam in the early stages, you would notice that it was the doctrine and faith that were taught first and the laws came much later.
The benefits of 5 times prayers are numerous, a means to connect to God as well as to lead a pure worldly life.
What does Christianity have in terms of spiritual cleansing of the heart that Islam doesn’t have ?
“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
I say;
We copied it from Jesus Christ.
Proof:
Mathew 26:39
New International Version
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
John 13:1-17 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Washes His Disciples’ Feet
13 It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.
2 The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. 3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4 so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.
Paulus
Sacrificing a human being(Jesus) is also a ritual and that is what your religion is based on. That ritual of sacrificing human being is inhumane and we rather imitate Jesus Christ and all the prophets by praying over and over to be closer to God rather than depending on feelings of an idol worship. The idol worshipers have feelings from their idols more than anyone.
Exodus :3:5
New International Version
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”
If Paulus is blaming Muslims for following Jesus Christ and doing what he did, then he (Paulus) is on the devils side because the house of devil is full of human rituals and that is the rituals Paulus is happy with. Human sacrifice of Jesus is also a ritual. Your religion is based on brutal ritual. You have no right to blame other religious rituals Paulus. We will never stop praying daily to our God. We will not depend on human blood like Vlad Dracule(Dracula).
Vlad Dracule of Romania has feelings and his followers have feelings when they impale human beings. That is not a feeling one must cherish in his religion. It is a brutal ritual rather than Muslims praying to their God over and over. Who said praying to God over and over to get closer to God is not good? Satan.
We take our shoes, washes our feet and fell down on our face to pray like the prophets did, but Satan is saying we must not do that. We must rather depend on human blood. That is not good.
Paulus
February 22, 2018 • 2:42 am
Very applicable to Islam, given its soul-less ritualism. Hence the rise of Sufism
I say;
What do you mean by this? Killing a soul for ritual? I think is barbaric and abomination to think that. Any Muslim soul who washes(purify) and pray to God is not soul-less but soulful because every human has a soul.
Every religion has souls in their rituals. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, idol worshipers, atheist etc. all have feelings and souls when they perform their rituals. Some feelings are from God and some feelings are from Satan.
Allah tells Muslims to seek protection against satan from the only one true God of Abraham who is alone. So Muslims are sure their feelings are not from satan.
Proof:
Allah says: “When thou dost read the Qur’ân, seek Allah’s protection from Satan, the rejected one.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 98].
“Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?” [Quran, 5: 91]
“And if an evil suggestion comes to you from Satan, then seek refuge in Allah . Indeed, He is Hearing and Knowing..” [Quran 7: 200]
The other feelings could be from satan.
So, if Shaitaan does not want us to offer Salah, and take God`s name and ask for His guidance, it means that one can surely preserve itself from the harm of the demon by calling the name of the Exalted One. So, to be on the safer side, we need to pray to our Gracious Lord all the time for seeking His enlightenment to make us able to save ourselves from the evil spirits.
“There is no harm in incantations as long as they do not include Shirk.” (Muslim)
So, we Muslims should try our best to act upon the above described methods of keeping away from Satan`s reach to fulfill our religious and moral responsibilities effectively. May Allah Almighty always save us from the sinfulness of the devil! Aameen
“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
Quran answers
“And when you call to prayer, they take it in ridicule and amusement. That is because they are a people who do not use reason. Say, “O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?” QT
The problem with you Paulus is that you look to these rituals by the lens of your prophet Paul who was assuming that there’s a conflict between the spirituality and the law of God while in the fact there’s not.
Islam is filled with spirituality without sufism. On the other hand, your religion is based as a whole on sacrificing concept and bloody rituals to reach your God. What kind of spirituality is this?
After the Christian utters a “sinners Prayer” and accepts Jesus as his savior, Christianity really has nothing else to offer the person. That is because there is no further need for spirituality because the church teaches that the person is already saved.
Therefore, Christianity is really an empty faith, with no real spiritual content, there is no spritual movement or forward progression. The Christian wallows in stagnation, thinking that they are saved, but at the same time remain unfulfilled in their religion, which is why we see so many Christians turning to mysticism of their own, (i.e. new age spiritualism, Hinduism, meditations, chanting, yoga, post Christian concert worship services, contemporary worship, dancing, and all forms of innovations, etc. etc.)Christianity simply doesn’t meet the spiritual needs of the soulful human, hence the need for all the innovation.
For those who are left wanting by Christianity, let them know that an orthodox traditional Islam that is filled with spirituality, is always available to them!
“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
you must really hate the ritualistic demands of yhwh in the torah . i bet you hate all those stories about repeated burnt offerings, sin offerings, thanks giving offerings…you probably think to yourself “what a blood thirsty ritually obsessed pagan god”
you hate the stuff in your ritual filled bible so much that you imagine that you are eating and drinking a sacrificed jew in your mind.
there is a remedy for you to wash your brain from imaging eating a sacrificed human.
wash your brain with clean water . be clean like water .
Lol claiming that doing the prayers every day and same rituals again and again is somehow pagan while the same mangod allegedly ordered the Israelites to do such rituals is just beyond pathetic!
Xtianity is all about ‘I feeeeeeel, and this makes me feeeeeeel’ and ‘In the Son, by the Son, besides the Son, for the Son, behind the Son, above the Son, etc etc etc’ apparently is VERY spiritual!
Xtianity is nothing more then an mishmosh of logical fallacies with feelings sprayed on top o cover the failure that is Paulus his cult.
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As wise Nazam said, “I thought it was the blood of Jesus that cleans you!”
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Christians like Paulus below often argue that this verse indicates that Jesus rejected the law of the Torah, in preference to some form of inner spirituality which is supposedly the essence of the Law (cue in Paul’s Gospel of Freedom from the Law).
But the verse gives no indication that he rejected the law in its entirety, nor does it indicate anything other than that he was making a simple point about the spiritually cleansing effect of willful charity, the same point that the Qur’an and Hadeeth make about obligatory Zakat charity and voluntary sadaqa charity.
As Paul W. and Nazam point out, if indeed it was his own blood upon the cross that “washes us clean” then why didn’t Jesus himself clearly indicate that, rather than saying instead, that it is Charity (not his blood) that is spiritually cleansing (something that agrees with Islamic teachings).
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“I thought it was the blood of Jesus that cleans you!”
isaiah says to wash your hands :
Your hands are full of blood!
Wash and make yourselves clean
interestingly one would use a washing ritual to clean off a ritual which is not reaching the heart.
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from a health perspective the pharisee who questioned jesus had a point . since jesus didn’t know about germs it makes sense why he would not think it important to wash hands. there are extremists on both sides.
paulus, after you visit toilet are you christ like or pharisee like, please tell me.
pauliz, how much do you know about izlamic “repetitive prayers”
quote :
not everyone that prays performs salat. Salat comes from the word Sila ( a connection) and unless one is connected to Allah then what they are doing is simply movements with no connection to Allah and therefore is NOT SALAT. What Allah says is 100% truth. If you pray with the connection you will abstain from fahsha and munkar with no conditions.
end quote
pauliz, i think you didn’t know this. if you did, you wouldn’t have uttered the crap you are saying about “repetitive prayers”
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Very applicable to Islam, given its soul-less ritualism. Hence the rise of Sufism.
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Sufis are a minority and not one of the fastest growing sect. Regarding rituals, it depends on how much faith and intention one has when doing them. I haven’t heard anyone who came back from Hajj saying it was anything other than a refreshing spiritual experience.
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Hajj is a one off, so I can appreciate that people feel something doing it. But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.
When you emphasise external ritual, this is the result. Which is why in places like Indonesia, the majority of Muslims commit shirk daily. They’ve taken the facade of Islam but underneath still maintain animism because Islam is just external ritual. No heart or soul
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This is a very very huge subjectivist fallacy being commited here,
You’re speaking of spirituality from a subjective view,thats like saying
Since you have to keep praying to Jesus in Christianity you should start praying to Ram or Shiva for more spirituality,you’re basically saying if a religion is “boring” you should switch from that religion which is,a really stupid reason to convert.
I mean the definition of Spirituality varies, Spirituality can even be Meditating without believing in God,but Islamic spirituality is much different
As for your Claim on Sufism,that is a red herring,we’re speaking about Mainstream Islam here. where did Sufism come in the middle?
And how can you Islam isnt spiritual,have you ever done the Islamic prayer? Spirituality is based on Experience its not based on what you think it is,so have you even went to a mosque,read the Quran,or prayed 5 prayers or recited the Name of God daily? I doubt you ever have,you say the name of man and call Man A god,and that is why your religion is error,not ours.
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As I alluded to earlier, the quality of the prayers depends on the strength of faith one has. This is mentioned in the Qur’an in [23:2]
In Islam, faith and deeds go together. There is no point in having faith without deeds and deeds without the right faith and intention.
You won’t find one verse in the Qur’an where the rituals/deeds are emphasised more than faith. So, your opinion doesn’t have any scriptural basis. If you look at the development of Islam in the early stages, you would notice that it was the doctrine and faith that were taught first and the laws came much later.
The benefits of 5 times prayers are numerous, a means to connect to God as well as to lead a pure worldly life.
What does Christianity have in terms of spiritual cleansing of the heart that Islam doesn’t have ?
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Examples of “Spirituality” In Christianity
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Paulus
“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
I say;
We copied it from Jesus Christ.
Proof:
Mathew 26:39
New International Version
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
John 13:1-17 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Washes His Disciples’ Feet
13 It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.
2 The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. 3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4 so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.
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Paulus
Sacrificing a human being(Jesus) is also a ritual and that is what your religion is based on. That ritual of sacrificing human being is inhumane and we rather imitate Jesus Christ and all the prophets by praying over and over to be closer to God rather than depending on feelings of an idol worship. The idol worshipers have feelings from their idols more than anyone.
Exodus :3:5
New International Version
“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.”
If Paulus is blaming Muslims for following Jesus Christ and doing what he did, then he (Paulus) is on the devils side because the house of devil is full of human rituals and that is the rituals Paulus is happy with. Human sacrifice of Jesus is also a ritual. Your religion is based on brutal ritual. You have no right to blame other religious rituals Paulus. We will never stop praying daily to our God. We will not depend on human blood like Vlad Dracule(Dracula).
Vlad Dracule of Romania has feelings and his followers have feelings when they impale human beings. That is not a feeling one must cherish in his religion. It is a brutal ritual rather than Muslims praying to their God over and over. Who said praying to God over and over to get closer to God is not good? Satan.
We take our shoes, washes our feet and fell down on our face to pray like the prophets did, but Satan is saying we must not do that. We must rather depend on human blood. That is not good.
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Paulus
February 22, 2018 • 2:42 am
Very applicable to Islam, given its soul-less ritualism. Hence the rise of Sufism
I say;
What do you mean by this? Killing a soul for ritual? I think is barbaric and abomination to think that. Any Muslim soul who washes(purify) and pray to God is not soul-less but soulful because every human has a soul.
Every religion has souls in their rituals. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, idol worshipers, atheist etc. all have feelings and souls when they perform their rituals. Some feelings are from God and some feelings are from Satan.
Allah tells Muslims to seek protection against satan from the only one true God of Abraham who is alone. So Muslims are sure their feelings are not from satan.
Proof:
Allah says: “When thou dost read the Qur’ân, seek Allah’s protection from Satan, the rejected one.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 98].
“Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?” [Quran, 5: 91]
“And if an evil suggestion comes to you from Satan, then seek refuge in Allah . Indeed, He is Hearing and Knowing..” [Quran 7: 200]
The other feelings could be from satan.
So, if Shaitaan does not want us to offer Salah, and take God`s name and ask for His guidance, it means that one can surely preserve itself from the harm of the demon by calling the name of the Exalted One. So, to be on the safer side, we need to pray to our Gracious Lord all the time for seeking His enlightenment to make us able to save ourselves from the evil spirits.
“There is no harm in incantations as long as they do not include Shirk.” (Muslim)
So, we Muslims should try our best to act upon the above described methods of keeping away from Satan`s reach to fulfill our religious and moral responsibilities effectively. May Allah Almighty always save us from the sinfulness of the devil! Aameen
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Paulus
Find below one of the Christians soul filled spiritual and feelings. Is it from God? or from satan?
https://bloggingtheology.net/2018/02/21/and-now-for-some-tasteful-christian-worship/
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“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
Quran answers
“And when you call to prayer, they take it in ridicule and amusement. That is because they are a people who do not use reason. Say, “O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?” QT
The problem with you Paulus is that you look to these rituals by the lens of your prophet Paul who was assuming that there’s a conflict between the spirituality and the law of God while in the fact there’s not.
Islam is filled with spirituality without sufism. On the other hand, your religion is based as a whole on sacrificing concept and bloody rituals to reach your God. What kind of spirituality is this?
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I like this post. The Ayah is spot on.
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Good Comments Abdullah1423!
After the Christian utters a “sinners Prayer” and accepts Jesus as his savior, Christianity really has nothing else to offer the person. That is because there is no further need for spirituality because the church teaches that the person is already saved.
Therefore, Christianity is really an empty faith, with no real spiritual content, there is no spritual movement or forward progression. The Christian wallows in stagnation, thinking that they are saved, but at the same time remain unfulfilled in their religion, which is why we see so many Christians turning to mysticism of their own, (i.e. new age spiritualism, Hinduism, meditations, chanting, yoga, post Christian concert worship services, contemporary worship, dancing, and all forms of innovations, etc. etc.)Christianity simply doesn’t meet the spiritual needs of the soulful human, hence the need for all the innovation.
For those who are left wanting by Christianity, let them know that an orthodox traditional Islam that is filled with spirituality, is always available to them!
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i found this video interesting
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“But the same prayers over and over and over day in day out is why mysticism has grown in Islam.”
you must really hate the ritualistic demands of yhwh in the torah . i bet you hate all those stories about repeated burnt offerings, sin offerings, thanks giving offerings…you probably think to yourself “what a blood thirsty ritually obsessed pagan god”
you hate the stuff in your ritual filled bible so much that you imagine that you are eating and drinking a sacrificed jew in your mind.
there is a remedy for you to wash your brain from imaging eating a sacrificed human.
wash your brain with clean water . be clean like water .
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LOL
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Lol claiming that doing the prayers every day and same rituals again and again is somehow pagan while the same mangod allegedly ordered the Israelites to do such rituals is just beyond pathetic!
Xtianity is all about ‘I feeeeeeel, and this makes me feeeeeeel’ and ‘In the Son, by the Son, besides the Son, for the Son, behind the Son, above the Son, etc etc etc’ apparently is VERY spiritual!
Xtianity is nothing more then an mishmosh of logical fallacies with feelings sprayed on top o cover the failure that is Paulus his cult.
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