Jesus: God is One (not 3 in 1)

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HebrewSh’ma Yisra’eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.

Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.



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  1. Shema is beautiful, my youngest daughter recites that to me (in Hebrew)often.

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  2. Yep, God is One. We agree!!!

    (Notice no mention of tawheed oneness)

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    • God is one? which “one” is it? the Father, Jesus, or the Ghost?

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    • Honest question Paulus,

      I’m not looking to argue with you. In 1 Peter 1: 3, where Peter says “Praise to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (maybe my understanding is wrong(?) But according to Trinitarians isn’t God understood as 3=1 person/being, when ever God is used in the NT? I hope I’m not too confusing, I’m trying to articulate my thoughts (forgive me)

      My question is how would Trinitarians understand Peters statement that referred to God as the God as well as Father of Jesus from a Trinitarian perspective? Im not looking to get involved in a drawn out exchange, I’m just seeking clarity

      Thanks God bless

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    • Paulus,

      I forgot to add.

      If God is understood and defined as 3/1 being then in what way would a Trinitarian infere that definition form 1Peter 1:3? I’n that verse God (3/1 ?) is called the God and Father of Jesus. Is Peter equivocating on his use of God in this verse? Peter said “God and Father” if Father represents a member of the being of the Trinity and God represents the 3/1 it doesn’t sound like Peter is aware of that definition of God that Trinitarians hold. Or I’m missing something and that’s where you jump in and help clarify things so that I don’t misquote Trinitarians in general nor to I assume a position that ends up being nothing more than a straw man.

      Again thanks and Blessing

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    • //(Notice no mention of tawheed oneness)//

      What are you talking about, of course there is. You rely on the english sentence. In Arabic “God is One” is Allahu Huwa Ahad الّله هو أحد, and therefore the word Tauhid توحيد‎‎ is the arabic verbal noun masdar meaning “oneness” derived from verbal fi’il form II وحّدَ – يُوحّدُ wahhada-yuwahhidu, exactly the same arabic root with noun Ahad

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    • Bam!!

      Eric slays another foolish comment!

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    • HI BM,

      I think that discussion is related to how ‘theos’ is used in the New Testament writings. I think most biblical scholars recognise that the term is almost reserved for the Father, with a few exceptions.

      I don’t personally think a cohesive argument can be made that sees the term theos in a trinitarian sense like you described.

      That said, trinitarianism is not based upon lexical arguments as such, much the same way that Islamic taw heed is developed from Arabic language, while not explicitly part of Quranic Arabic. Eric’s comment highlights this.

      Eric,
      That’s some fancy theological footwork and grammatical looseness to get from a compound unity Hebrew term to an Islamic theological theory based on a different lexical language. Are you sure your not a trinitarian?

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    • Taw heed is derived from a verbal noun which is derived from another verbal noun which then shares the same grammatical root as ahad.

      In other words, taw heed is not in theQuran. why won’t Muslims just admit that it is a theological development? Would that then show the hypocrisy of criticising trinitarianism?

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    • Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

      When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent Mu`adh to Yemen, he said to him, “You are going to a nation from the people of the Scripture, so let the first thing to which you will invite them, be the **Tawheed of Allah**. If they learn that, tell them that Allah has enjoined on them, five prayers to be offered in one day and one night. And if they pray, tell them that Allah has enjoined on them Zakat of their properties and it is to be taken from the rich among them and given to the poor. And if they agree to that, then take from them Zakat but avoid the best property of the people.” Bukahri

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    • Paulus,

      Thanks for the response.

      Take care

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    • I. What has been reported about the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, calling his community to proclaim the oneness of Allah Almighty”

      6937. Abu Ma’bad related from Ibn ‘Abbas that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, sent Mu’adh to Yemen.

      Abu Ma’bad, the client of Ibn ‘Abbas, was heard to say, “I heard Ibn ‘Abbas say, ‘When the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, sent Mu’adh ibn Jabal to the people of Yemen, he said, “You are going to a people who are among the People of the Book. The first thing you call them to should be to say that Allah Almighty is one. When they acknowledge that, then tell them that Allah has made the five prayers obligatory for them in a twenty-four day. When they do the prayer, inform them that Allah has made it obligatory for zakat to be taken from their rich and given to their poor. If they affirm that, take it from them but avoid people’s most prized property.”‘” https://bewley.virtualave.net/bukhari52.html#tawhid

      Omar deceptively cites an english translation that inserts the word Tawheed when the word is not in the Arabic text.

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    • With the name of Allah,

      //That’s some fancy theological footwork and grammatical looseness to get from a compound unity Hebrew term to an Islamic theological theory based on a different lexical language.//

      Even in the English Bible. God is One, One, One.., it is  foolish to argue that the  Oneness of God is a “development” . Tawheed simply means Oneness 

      I have not met any intelligent people in my life  ever consider the Oneness of God  is a development  from scriptural statement “God is One” …except well from missionaries .

      Now trinitarianism on the other hand have different undersdtanding of God , they called it  “Threeness of God” or Threeunity. You see:  One  –>  Three , Ding Dong  this is the real development !,  a deviation from biblical monotheism, an Idolatry , associating God, very serious sin in the sight of God.

      You also claim that hebrew  echad אֶחָד  means  “compound unity”,  now give me some proof from any jewish literature lexicon  that says that.

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    • With the name of Allah

      //Omar deceptively cites an english translation that inserts the word Tawheed when the word is not in the Arabic text.//

      The original arabic

      إِنَّكَ تَقْدَمُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ فَلْيَكُنْ أَوَّلَ مَا تَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَى أَنْ يُوَحِّدُوا اللَّهَ تَعَالَى

       

      Innaka Taqdumu a’ala qawmin ahlil kitaab fal yakun awwala maa tad’uu Hum Ilaa an yuwahhidu -llaha ta’aala

      Of course the word is there, yuwahhidu -llaha ta’aala literally says: for them to “make one” of God the most High, it is better rendered in English “invite them, be the Tawhid of Allah” as many of the translation put it.   thats how it works in Arabic morpplogy   توحيد‎‎ -وحّدَ – يُوحّدُ  : wahhada-yuwahhidu-tawhiid.

      Those who demand  simply the word Tauwid in the hadith and the Qur’an  is a total lack of knowledge in Arabic.

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    • I want to thank Eric for expose his fellow Muhammadan brother for deceitfully citing a mistranslation of the hadith since Eric just proved that the word Tauhid does not appear in the hadith in question.

      And now let me educate Eric who pretends to know languages, especially Arabic, by showing him what the Arabic root word from which Tauhid is derived literally means:

      Tauhiyd comes from the verb wahhad WHICH LITERALLY MEANS TO UNITE. In Islamic terminology, it means to realize and maintain the unity of Allâh in one’s actions (inwardly and outwardly). The actual word tauhiyd DOES NOT OCCUR IN THE QURAN OR SUNNAH though the present tense of the verb (from which tauhiyd is derived) is used in Sunnah. The Prophet sent Muadh ibn Jabal as governor of Yemen in 9 A.H. He told him, “You will going to the people of the book, so first invite yuwahhidu Allâh [them to the assertion of the oneness of Allâh]”.[1] (Bismikaallahuma, The Concept of Tauhiyd in Islam http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-concept-of-tauhiyd-in-islam/; capital emphasis ours)

      Dr. Zakir Naik writes:

      TAWHEED:

      Definition and Categories:

      Islam believes in ‘Tawheed’ which is not merely monotheism i.e. belief in one God, but much more. Tawheed LITERALLY MEANS ‘UNIFICATION’ i.e. ‘asserting oneness’ and is derived from the Arabic verb ‘Wahhada’ which means TO UNITE, UNIFY OR CONSOLIDATE.

      WOW! What an embarrassment! The very root word for the term that Muslim coined to denote Islamic unitarianism DOESN’T MEAN SINGLENESS OR SINGULARITY, BUT A UNIFICATION, A UNIFYING OF DISTINCT, SEPARATE ASPECTS INTO ONE! (http://www.irf.net/islam.html)

      Eric gets obliterated for trying to be intelligent and for pretending to know languages!

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    • I want to thank Eric for exposing his fellow Muhammadan brother for deceitfully citing a mistranslation of the hadith since Eric just proved that the word Tauhid does not appear in the hadith in question.

      And now let me educate Eric who pretends to know languages, especially Arabic, by showing him what the Arabic root word from which Tauhid is derived literally means:

      Tauhiyd comes from the verb wahhad WHICH LITERALLY MEANS TO UNITE. In Islamic terminology, it means to realize and maintain the unity of Allâh in one’s actions (inwardly and outwardly). The actual word tauhiyd DOES NOT OCCUR IN THE QURAN OR SUNNAH though the present tense of the verb (from which tauhiyd is derived) is used in Sunnah. The Prophet sent Muadh ibn Jabal as governor of Yemen in 9 A.H. He told him, “You will going to the people of the book, so first invite yuwahhidu Allâh [them to the assertion of the oneness of Allâh]”.[1] (Bismikaallahuma, The Concept of Tauhiyd in Islam http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-concept-of-tauhiyd-in-islam/; capital emphasis ours)

      Dr. Zakir Naik writes:

      TAWHEED:

      Definition and Categories:

      Islam believes in ‘Tawheed’ which is not merely monotheism i.e. belief in one God, but much more. Tawheed LITERALLY MEANS ‘UNIFICATION’ i.e. ‘asserting oneness’ and is derived from the Arabic verb ‘Wahhada’ which means TO UNITE, UNIFY OR CONSOLIDATE. (http://www.irf.net/islam.html)

      WOW! What an embarrassment! The very root word for the term that Muslim coined to denote Islamic unitarianism DOESN’T MEAN SINGLENESS OR SINGULARITY, BUT A UNIFICATION, A UNIFYING OF DISTINCT, SEPARATE ASPECTS INTO ONE!

      Eric gets obliterated for trying to be intelligent and for pretending to know languages!

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    • Eric forget about arguing, how did you make words red and blue!?! Amazing!!!

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    • With the name of Allah

      //I want to thank Eric for expose his fellow Muhammadan brother for deceitfully citing a mistranslation of the hadith since Eric just proved that the word Tauhid does not appear in the hadith in question.//

      Pally Wally aka Shame-on abu Jahl bin bahlool

      As usual you quote something from Islamic sources then twist a totally new  meaning form what the actual source said. then twist and give  your own silly and sometimes hilarious line of reasoning.

      So are we going to translate the following hadith from Sahih Al Bukhari books of the Oneness of God كتاب التوحيد:

      إِنَّكَ تَقْدَمُ عَلَى قَوْمٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ فَلْيَكُنْ أَوَّلَ مَا تَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَى أَنْ يُوَحِّدُوا اللَّهَ تَعَالَى

      You are going to a nation of the people of the books, let it be the first thing what you will invite to them is   to unite (Ar. yuwahhidu) Allah the most High??

      No of course not! No translation render it that way.

      …فليكن أول ما تدعوهم إلى أن يوحدوا الله تعالى…

      My literal rendering is:
      “…let it be the first thing what  you will invite to them is to make Allah the most High One…”

      In other words  to implement the Oneness of Allah (the verbal noun as Masdar of this concept known as the ‘Tawheed’)

       

      Moreover in another  version of this narration from Sunan  alDarqutni 5/316 through  al-Ḥusayn bin Ismā’īl melalui al-Fadhl bin Ya’qūb ar-Rukhāmī it is reported the followng matn:

      إنك تقدم على قوم من أهل الكتاب فليكن أول ما تدعوهم إليه توحيد الله…

      “let it be the first thing what  you will invite to them the Tawheed of Allah

      Exactly the arabic word Tawheed appear in the text. So the translation br. Omar gave his absolutely correct. No mistranslation from his side.

      Now I challenge you to find any Islamic translation which render yuwahhidu-Llah as “to unite Allah”. can you??

      Oh well, your polytheistic mindset prevent you into making a good sense of this absolutely simple concept of “God is One”

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    • Here is a piece for Pally Wally (Shamoun) to read where our Islamic sources clearly mention Tawhid:

      https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/11/24/tawhid-tawheed-is-no-where-to-be-found-in-the-quran-or-hadith/

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  3. Nope you disagree with Jesus and Muslims that God is one person! to be worshipped 😉…which is tawheed…your definition of one God is a mental idol that Jesus knew nothing about….your concept of one God would have had you killed according to biblical law…

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    • The teaching of the bible is that God is one person and that he is three persons. Both are true of his being.

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    • where does the Bible say God is three persons? Chapter and verse please..

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    • Erasmus

      God person is 1 and God person is 3? Perhaps God person can be 100 or more. Jesus did not say “God person can be……..”. I thought you have stopped drinking your hot Russian vodka. You have not and still not identifying the fatal error you believed that is not in the Bible.

      How can 1 Person is the same as 3 Persons? That is idol worshipers thinking. God can become anything i.e. multi personal and they worship anything including man, cow, monkeys, snakes and worship wooden, metal, bronze, gold, etc. statues, crosses, paintings etc.

      Stick to what Jesus said without adding your wish from councils upon councils. Jesus said clearly God is One and He Jesus was sent by the only true God who is not Jesus.

      Thanks.

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  4. Start with John 1 v 1.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    The Word is a person. According to John 1 v 1 the Word is the same God as the God that we know from the OT who is one person. The only true God that created the world according to Genesis 1 v 1.

    The God that he is the same as, but distinct from, is a person as we know from the OT.

    The Word is the same as the unipersonal God of the OT. But he also has his own identity as we know from John’s gospel.

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us…..and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.

    That’s 2 persons.

    There are various scriptures in the NT that show that the Holy Spirit is a person. The same show that he is the same God as God but distinct from God, i.e. that he is the same person as God but he is distinct from God in that he has his own identity or will.

    For example 1 Cor 12 v 11

    “But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.”

    Only God gives spiritual gifts to the church as we know.

    Ergo, I have just proven the trinity and refuted Unitarianism with two scriptures. How’s about that then?

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    • not very good I am afraid. You have still not shown me where the Bible says God is three persons..

      Paul says this about Jesus & God:

      ‘But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.’ 1 Cor 11

      No Trinity there just Unitarianism!

      Next:

      Jesus in John 17 says:

      “And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”

      No Trinity there just Unitarianism!

      Lots more if you want…

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  5. Paul Williams, I understand the post about James D.G Dunn, where he states that Jesus was a Shema believing monotheist. But the Trinitarians counter, that A) ”We also believe in the Shema” as James White Stated and that B) ”Being a Monotheist, does not exclude multi-personal Being and that being Trinitairan we accept the Shema, however we do not presuppose that the God is 1 Person, nor we pressupose that he is more than 1 person, but we interpret from WHOLE SCRIPTURE THAT God is 1 being and multipersonal”/

    Here is a typical quotations of scriptures

    ”You can see texts for the Son in John 1:1, John 20:28, Philippians 2:6, 2 Peter 1:1. For the role of the different Persons in creation, see 1 Corinthians 8:6, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10, Job 33:4, Psalms 104:30. But then note that while multiple Persons took part in creation, God acts alone in creation (Isaiah 44:24). And note that the Persons who take part in creation are precisely those mentioned in the Christian basmala in Matthew 28:19.”

    I hope you have response

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      You said;

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      August 25, 2016 • 4:25 pm

      Paul Williams, I understand the post about James D.G Dunn, where he states that Jesus was a Shema believing monotheist. But the Trinitarians counter, that A) ”We also believe in the Shema” as James White Stated and that B) ”Being a Monotheist, does not exclude multi-personal Being and that being Trinitairan we accept the Shema, however we do not presuppose that the God is 1 Person, nor we pressupose that he is more than 1 person, but we interpret from WHOLE SCRIPTURE THAT God is 1 being and multipersonal”/

      I say;
      Multipersonal means number of persons. Mormons have more persons, Trinitarians have 3 persons, Rastafarians have 3 persons, Hindus have more persons and you all believed in incarnation and God becoming a creature i.e. man, cow, monkey, snake entering in the world to love you. Without that you do not think God can love you or God love is enough for you.

      What you forgot in all these is that;

      every person is a being. A person who is not being is not a person. So worshiping multiple persons is worshiping multiple beings and it is polytheism.

      If you insists God can be multipersonal, then you are not alone, you have Rastafarians, Hindus, Mormons etc. who agreed with you and therefore your God and their God are all multipersonal Gods and that means God can be so many and that is idolatry.

      Thanks.

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  6. There are statements in the Bible that grant the attributes of God to multiple persons. For example to Jesus as in John and the Angel of the Lord in the OT etc

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  7. In John 20:17, Jesus says “my God and your God”. I don’t know how it can get any clearer than that.
    Whenever Jesus is spoken of in the Bible it is as a human being. Peter in Acts says that God raised the man Jesus from the dead.
    In the letters of Peter and Paul, God is the “God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”. By the way, in some translations of the English bible, “lord” has a capital L. In reality, lord Jesus should be lower case L, which would be equivalent to calling him “master Jesus Christ”, rather than “God Jesus Christ”.
    Any divinity or authority that Jesus has was given to him by God, and according to 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 he will give it back to God.

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  8. The New Testament does not teach to worship 3 in 1 God.

    But even if it did, it does not matter by one iota. It is patently illogical.

    God gave us a mind to use. It is a fundamental moral crime of the highest order to violate fundamental logic in describing God so as to maintain one’s identity in some group or to satisfy one’s wishful theological desires.

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  9. It is irrelevant whether it is “logical” or not. 3 in 1 or 1 in 3, persons or beings.

    It is the revelation of God about himself.

    “It is a fundamental moral crime of the highest order” !!!!

    You seem to have a strange moral compass. Oh, I forgot, that’s sharia.

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    • Erasmus

      God is not the author of confusion. 1 person is the same as 3 persons is a lie. I swear God it is a lie and God will not confuse His creations like that.

      Why blame the Mormoms who also have multiple persons as there God? Trinitarians and Mormons believe in multiple Gods. If the Trinitarians limit their Gods to 3 persons it does not mean they are not like Mormons who have more Gods and that is polytheism. Erasmus will say his scripture say so and it is a lie 1 person is not 3 or multi persons. Any person is a being. A person who is not a being is not a person. Trinitarians are worshiping 3 beings and it is polytheism.

      Tawheed has no 3 person in it but it means one, like in Arabic Wahid, Tauhid, Ahad etc. means 1, one and has no 3 in it so any can be used as one because that is what they mean if even they are not in the Quran.

      Trinity has 3 persons

      How God described Himself did not say 3 persons 1 God.

      Thanks.

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  10. “A second point to be noted takes up the complementary issue of whether worship of Jesus constitutes a denial of Christianity’s claim to be a monotheistic religion. As noted at the beginning of the Introduction, such a critique of Christian worship is made by other great monotheistic faiths, Judaism and Islam. But it has become increasingly clear from the inquiry that the understanding of God as one, of the unity of God, is not so readily defined as such critiques generally assume. THE UNITY OR ONENESS OF GOD IS NOT A STRAIGHTFORWARD MATHEMATICAL UNITY. Only a little acquaintance with mathematics, from ancient times until the present, will be sufficient to remind us that the concept of number is more complex than at first seems likely, once we move on from merely counting apples and oranges or pennies and cents. We should recall, for example, that when Paul talks of the body of Christ, he insists that the body is one, the body is a unity but he insists equally that the one body is made up of many diverse members. Oneness is not necessarily an entity singular in all the elements that make it one, that form its oneness. Alternatively, a singular entity may be too big or complex (the cosmos) to be fully comprehended in its singularity. All that can be perceived are different aspects, aspects that do not easily cohere into one (in fundamental physics no one has yet been able to produce a unified field theory); but the inadequacies of human conceptualization do not constitute a denial of the singularity of the entity. So too, the oneness of God should not be assumed to be a narrowly defined mathematical unity. From earliest days in Israel’s conceptuality of the oneness of God there was also recognized a diversity in the way God has been perceived or has made himself known. The one God made himself known in or through angelic form, as Spirit, as Wisdom, as Word, without detracting from his otherness, his transcendence, his being as the one and only God. So definitions of monotheism, of God’s oneness, should not be so tightly drawn as to exclude such Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and early Jewish reflection on the subject. And Christianity can make the case that its evaluation of Jesus begins with that reflection and develops from it, but does so without calling in question that monotheism whose complex reality such reflection was attempting to articulate, however inadequately, and however open to misinterpretation of the monotheism espoused.” (Ibid, Conclusion, pp. 148-149; capital emphasis ours)

    OUCH!

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    • Pally Willy

      God is 1. It is not complex. A kindergarten kid know 1 is 1. There is not any complexity in 1. One means not 2,3,4,5,6…………………

      1 is not 2

      1 Person/person is not 2,3,4………….Persons/persons.

      There is no complexity here unless you are an idol worshiper. The idol worshipers wants more from God and they think God can enter into the world and become His creature i.e. Jesus a man, Hindus Sai Baba, cow, monkey, elephants, Rastafarians Haile Selaissie, voodoo snakes, rats, etc.

      God is one and not 3 Persons/persons and “God is 3 Persons/persons is not in the Bible but “God is 1” is in the Bible many times.

      If God is 1 is complex why will God continue to repeat it over and over in the Bible.

      1 means 1 and not 2, 3, 4………

      1 is not complex to understand unless idol worshipers who want to worship more gods.

      Thanks.

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  11. The triune God is 3 in 2, not 3 in 1 any more.

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  12. Intellect said: ” Erasmus will say his scripture say so and it is a lie 1 person is not 3 or multi persons. Any person is a being. A person who is not a being is not a person. Trinitarians are worshiping 3 beings and it is polytheism.”

    I reply:

    The bible does not define God in terms of being and person in one formula using these terms.

    Beings and persons that are human cannot be used to accurately or correctly express the trinitarian form of God in one singular expression or definition.

    The definitions of God using being and person are useful to some extent but contradictory.

    The one person of God is three persons or vice versa. The one being of God is three beings or vice versa. We don’t have persons within persons or beings within beings in humans do we? We have no understanding of this concept.

    But even something that is contradictory can be useful, perhaps like the square root of -1.

    As long as God is not contradictory to himself then no harm is done is it?

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    • Erasmus

      You said;
      Beings and persons that are human cannot be used to accurately or correctly express the trinitarian form of God in one singular expression or definition.

      I say;
      Other religions like Hindu, Rastafarian, voodoo and many idol worshipers hold this view and therefore have man as their God, snakes, monkeys, elephants, cows etc. and believe all these can be part of God being and persons. Erasmus you and them are polytheists and idol worshipers.

      God is not the author of confusion and telling us a person is not a being is contradictory and wrong and false. Any God who teaches wrong and contradictory things like 1 person is not 1 being is a false God or those that made the definitions at councils upon councils were influenced by satan.

      A person/being will always remain correct and if someone says the person of God persons is 1 and 3 is a liar, That is not true.

      It is just like 1+1+1+1=5 is wrong even if God says so. God does not lie according to the Bible so the definition of Trinity is influenced by satan.

      Thanks.

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  13. Intellect,

    Thanks.

    You said:

    first quoting me as follows:

    Beings and persons that are human cannot be used to accurately or correctly express the trinitarian form of God in one singular expression or definition.

    and then going on to say:

    I say;

    Other religions like Hindu, Rastafarian, voodoo and many idol worshipers hold this view and therefore have man as their God, snakes, monkeys, elephants, cows etc. and believe all these can be part of God being and persons. Erasmus you and them are polytheists and idol worshipers.”

    I reply,

    You have not used any valid arguments to prove that what I said has anything to do with what you assert is true of Hindus, Rastafarians etc.

    Therefore your argument does not have any evidence to back it up.

    Assertion is not proof. Saying it so don’t make it so.

    Perhaps if you could elaborate because I don’t know where the trinity is found in these other religions that you quote.

    Multiple gods is not the teaching of the bible, old or new testament therefore I am not a polytheist of idol worshipper as you claim.

    The trinity is a form of God that is only found in Christianity.

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    • Erasmus

      You said;

      Perhaps if you could elaborate because I don’t know where the trinity is found in these other religions that you quote.

      I say;
      Where is “Trinity” in the Bible? No Trinity in the Bible so you also do not have evidence of Trinity in the Bible except to extract some verses thinking that is if. Rastafarians also extract some verses to prove their Trinity. Other religions also supports multipersonal Gods just like you Trinitarians so you all worship multi gods because each person is a being and no person can be a person without being a being. Multi persons/beings are multiple gods.

      “God is one” is there in the Bible in several places, so I as a Muslim believe that God is one in the Bible so I have prove and evidence which is clearly stated in the Bible and you, Rastafarians, Hindus etc. do not have a clear evidence of “God is 3 persons in 1” or “God is more than 1 person” in the Bible.

      Thanks.

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    • Erasmus

      You said;
      Beings and persons that are human cannot be used to accurately or correctly express the trinitarian form of God in one singular expression or definition.

      I say;
      But you forgot you have Jesus who is 100% human to accurately express the Trinitarian form of God in one singular expression or definition?

      Thanks

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  14. @ Intellect,

    John 1 v 1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    So the Word is the same person and the same being as God who is one person and one being as we know from the OT. This verse says that he is the same God as Jehovah of the OT.

    But the verse also says that the Word is with God so he is a separate person and a separate being from God but he is not a separate God because John 1 v 1 says he is the same God.

    Thanks.

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    • Erasmus

      How can the Word(God)-(God number 1) be with God(God number 2) and you say it is 1 God?. It is 2 Gods and it is polytheism.

      You said;
      But the verse also says that the Word is with God so he is a separate person and a separate being from God but he is not a separate God because John 1 v 1 says he is the same God.

      I say;
      Word is with God.

      Word(God) is with God= It means 2 Gods. A word which is God is with God. 2 Gods. The second God that the first God(Word) is with is a SEPARATE GOD AND A SEPARATE BEING by your own words Erasmus.

      Do you think at all. A God(Word) is with a separate person/being. Is that not a God separate from another God/person/being made up of 2 Gods? It is 2 Gods if you thinkverywell.

      Remember, 7+7=11 is wrong even if God said so. So do not keep thinking the Bible said this and that and do not think. The Quran said we must think and that is why God gave us intelledt. The Quran said we must examine it(Quran) and challenge us to see any contradictions and prove that. It says it is from God that is why their is no contradictions in it.

      How then do you keep thinking God is with another God is 1 but not 2 Gods? It is wrong to say it is 1 God but not 2 Gods even if the Bible or Quran or Angel or anyone said so.

      Thanks.

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  15. Intellect,

    John 1 v 1 says the Word and God is one God.

    thanks.

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  16. Mark 12:29
    And Yeshua answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one LORD:

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