Only one of these is illegal…

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Categories: Islamophobia, Life in the West, Silly

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  1. Apparently Nuns will also be banned as well if the deputy mayor has his way!
    This Burkini is seen as a menace to French society and a symbol of extremism. Don’t get me wrong i have been to France and it is a wonderful country but dude this is just nuts.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sadiq-khan-condemns-french-burkini-ban-during-visit-to-paris/ar-BBw2SMO

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/three-more-towns-france-join-burkini-ban-195204845.html

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    • Palestinian asylum seeker is fired for wearing a headscarf

      http://dailym.ai/2bDVh6b

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    • Do these politicians honestly believe they are fighting extremism and intolerance by enforcing such restrictive policies? I understand that Europe has not had a very positive experience with theocracy but that antagonism has rooted in a ‘Christian’ (for true Christianity does not sanction such a violent history) unto other religions whom they see as enacting that same conflict in our modern times.

      This demonstrates two things to me, first that Charles Gai Eaton had a point when he described the Europe as an ‘old man’ who had been scarred by experiencing more due to imperialism than any nation should and remain healthy. Second that certain European countries are clueless as to how to respond to extremism.

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  2. It’s a shame what our world is coming to. Can’t believe the French government are this blinded. There really is no difference between how the people in the picture are dressed.

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    • The French government has got nothing to do with the burkini ban. It is the mayors of some cities who have announced this ban locally, with the alleged purpose of supporting secular values, public hygien, avoiding fights and riots etc. It’s sad in a way and perhaps counter productive. But who am I to blame them – maybe it’s just an expression of fear after the repeated terror attacks.

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    • EnfantDeLaPatrie I think you may be right about the government part, it may have just been the mayors but it’s rather shocking that many are supportive of it. It does no harm to anybody, especially for the women who actually chose to wear it.
      And yes it’s very counter productive, I believe there are much better ways to counter terrorism than banning Muslim women’s clothing.

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  3. The PM has expressed support for the local burkini bans, that is correct, but the government has not initiated the bans. It will be interesting to see what The Council of State has to say about this. It will issue its ruling tomorrow Friday over whether to overturn the locally ordered bans or not.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/french-burkini-bans-face-legal-challenge-tension-mounts-41640112

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  4. What the hell is happening to this mayors of France who hate Islam? They prefer the primitive women on the beach half naked with boobs, buttocks, hips, vagina etc. exposed and after the beach end up in strip club, get intoxicated and have sex with prostitutes. It is the Amazonians and Adelman forest primitive that expose themselves like that. The French Prime minister does not understand how they enslave women to be naked like the primitive Adelman or Amazon forest against Hijab that covers the modest of women.

    The US has allowed women to wear hijab in this Olympic and she got bronze for her country the USA. The Scotland, Canada and other western countries are allowing their police officers to wear hijab.

    Mr. Mayors if you are reading this blog, what the heck is in your mind? Do you know better than the USA, Scotland and Canada? which allow police office to wear hijab and sports women wearing hijab. The mayors are bigots.

    1. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/08/24/world/ap-cn-canada-police-hijab.html?_r=0

    2. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/sport/ibtihaj-muhammad-2016-rio-olympics-fencing/index.html

    Warning: Primitive nudity like the beach wear these mayors call civilization.

    3.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_BUpmkf-h4

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  5. The nun is on duty as it were. She is a deaconess of the church and must wear her uniform. It doesn’t make any difference where she is. The state cannot forbid this.

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  6. Does the muslim woman have a similar justification?

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  7. There is no command in my scriptures to closely cover the head above the shoulder line except to cover the hair during worship. Not for reasons of modesty.

    Therefore I would say that to closely cover the head above the shoulder line is to exceed the requirement given for modesty in my scriptures.

    Therefore the state would be within it’s rights to ban this practice as deeming it to be not conducive with a recreational pursuit. Therefore of political motive. There not being any other rational grounds for doing so.

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    • Erasmus,

      Everybody has his own scripture. My scripture says as human beings we must worship God all the time and anyone is on duty to worship God all the time.

      1. We are on duty all the time like the nun

      2. we worship God all the time so OUR SCRIPTURE says a Muslim woman must cover herself up as it is stipulated in OUR SCRIPTURE when in public.

      You are a bigot, racist wicked by wanting only YOUR SCRIPTURE TO BE ACCEPTED. We are also human beings and deserves our scripture to be accepted.

      Show me where your scripture says women should be naked in public. Will Jesus and his mother wear only underwear in beach?

      Jesus in your scripture is depicted as always wearing long robes and his mother Mary always wearing the stipulated Muslim woman scarf.

      Show me in your scripture where Mary, the mother of your God wears only her underwear in public like a strip club nudity.

      Your scripture condemns porn, illegal sex, nudity and that is what you support and attacking the dress of the mother of your God.

      You are a bigot by using your scripture to judge others. You are not the only one who has scripture. Religious Jews cover themselves like the Muslim woman.

      Unless you like Donald Trump and his supporters want to barn all Muslims from the West. That is the only thing you can do. Then, you will have to barn religious Jewish women too.

      Thanks.

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    • Erasmus

      The nun is from a certain religion performing her duties. A Muslim woman is also a Muslim performing her duties. It is only bigots and wicked people like you, Donald Trump and his supporters, wicked mayors who will target only one group of people and barn them and allow others because they follow YOUR SCRIPTURES.

      The nun got her uniform from religious grounds and the Muslim woman get her uniform from religious grounds. How dare you segregate, separate and allow one religion and barn other? Because you are like Hitler who hate Jews and killed them because of their religion.

      You allow gays to marry and kiss each other in public. You allow strip clubs all over places where people strip nude and get intoxicated and have sex. You allow nudity and nakedness with men and women exposing their private parts in public which is against your scripture.

      Just to barn modesty which the mother of your God adhered to. I saw gay men and women naked in some western countries and police are guiding them so that no one will attack them.

      Why will you allow nakedness that is influence by satan and arouse illegal sex which is forbidden by your scripture and barn those who will cover their body and be modest like the mother of your God?

      Thanks.

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  8. Erasmus

    Correction:
    Ban not Barn.

    My scripture said this, my religion said that, my race said this etc. nonsense. That is how Hitler and any tyrant talks and end up banning Jews from some places in Germany and later gassing them. It is unfortunate we have thinkers like that today.

    Are the only one with scripture? religion? race? Oh yes that is what bigots like Hitler, Donald Trump and his supporters think. Well, tell Europe and the West to round up Muslims, Jews and other religious people and execute them and stop immigration and multicultural or diversity program.

    It is better for you that way than banning only one religious duty and uniform and tolerate others. Scotland police, Canada police and US Olympics have accepted the Muslim women uniform to add it in their uniform as a duty for the Muslim women and you are banning it.

    Before then, Canada has accepted the Sikh’s religious turban in their police force, military and all official setting long long time ago. Why then ban poor Muslim woman and force her to strip at a beach like a strip club nudity which is not in your scripture and against your scripture? Racism, bigot and Islamophobia.

    You do not know better than Jesus and his mother who will not strip with only underwear, exposed boobs, buttocks etc. you do not know better than the Scotland police, Canada police or US Olympic team USA. It is the strip and showing body of men and women bodies that you like.

    Thanks.

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  9. Intellect,

    I am only talking about the body above the shoulder line. That it should not be covered beyond this point according to my scriptures, as I understand them. The bible teaches modesty but it does not teach head covering, to be more specific covering the neck and the hair, to be a requirement for modesty.

    God did not cover Eve’s hair and her head after the fall. This is regulatory for me. To go beyond this is sin in my view. It would be marring the image of God in man.

    “The Expulsion from Paradise

    Genesis 3 v 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

    Rebekah veiled her face after she arrived at Isaacs dwelling place:

    Genesis 24 v 64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel. 65 For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.

    I cannot speak for Islam. Where does Islam draw the line? The burkha?

    Count the scholars time?

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  10. Erasmus

    August 26, 2016 • 8:49 pm

    Intellect,

    I am only talking about the body above the shoulder line. That it should not be covered beyond this point according to my scriptures, as I understand them. The bible teaches modesty but it does not teach head covering, to be more specific covering the neck and the hair, to be a requirement for modesty.

    I say;
    Then the mother of your God sinned. She always cover the body above her shoulder and hair.

    https://www.google.ca/?ion=1&espv=2#q=pictures+of+mary

    Once again, you keep repeating “my scripture”, “my religion”, “my race” and ignore others scripture and that is bigotry, racism, Nazism and Hitler motivated and that is how Hitler talks. He used your language to ban Jews and later killing them.

    We also have our scripture and the religious Muslim women, Jewish women, sikh women, some Hindu women and some Coptic Christians cover from their shoulder to hair.

    Just like the Nun who is on duty in her uniform, the various women I cited are always on duty with their God, wearing their uniform. It is shame for someone like you to segregate them.

    I am glad the French Higher court has reversed the decision of banning only Muslim women dress. The French court know very well that if someone has right to expose her boobs, buttocks, and her private part free for anyone to see, then it is highly bigot to ban someone who will cover those sensitive and tantalizing parts.

    Some gay people walk naked on some western countries and protected by police and why can’t a Muslim woman cover her body?

    Thanks.

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  11. Intellect,

    You said:

    “I say;
    Then the mother of your God sinned. She always cover the body above her shoulder and hair.

    https://www.google.ca/?ion=1&espv=2#q=pictures+of+mary

    I reply.

    You have no proof that Mary ever looked like these pictures show her. It is pure speculation and conjecture.

    You said: “Just like the Nun who is on duty in her uniform, the various women I cited are always on duty with their God, wearing their uniform. It is shame for someone like you to segregate them.”

    I reply:

    So the muslim woman is on duty on the beach. Where are the regulations for her beach uniform then from the islamic scriptures?

    You said: “Once again, you keep repeating “my scripture”, “my religion”, “my race” ”

    Where did I say “my race” in my comments?

    thanks.

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  12. Erasmus

    Don’t you know what duty means? The various women are on duty to always worship their God for the uniform he prescribed for them to cover their bodies just like the nun. They are all on duty.

    You said your scripture said women must not cover from their shoulder. Just scroll up. Jesus spoke Aramaic, and do you have his Bible in Aramaic? You do not have proof of the Bible from Jesus but you want a proof for Mary’s dress which is always depicted.

    I have exaggerated by saying you said my race. Anyone who kept saying “my scripture” like Hitler, deep inside him he will be saying “my religion”. “my race” but criticizing Muslims for allowing Jews, Christians etc. to prosper in majority Islamic countries from centuries to centuries till today and will not ban a Nun in her outfit no matter where she is.

    If your religion does not allow covering from the neck, then Nuns are sinners because they cover from their shoulders to neck for centuries to centuries and the Church Fathers never tell them they are sinning. You just bigot and hate Islam and Muslims like Donald Trump and his supporters David Duke KKK member.

    Thanks.

    Thanks.

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    • Intellect,

      “If your religion does not allow covering from the neck, then Nuns are sinners because they cover from their shoulders to neck for centuries to centuries and the Church Fathers never tell them they are sinning.”

      As a uniform for spiritual service I think that is different.

      You are saying it is mandatory to cover the neck and hair for modesty. I am asking you for the foundation for this from your scriptures which you refuse to give up till now.

      I am saying there is no foundation for the mandatory covering of the neck and hair for modesty in my scriptures.

      A mandatory non-covering of the neck and hair might be going too far. But on the beach on a hot day I don’t think so.

      The non-covering of the neck and hair is, I think, the norm in the bible for a woman in public. Therefore in this case the secular power, in my humble view, would be correct to ban the burkini. Of course health, weather and fashion play a role but these are not usually religious.

      If you don’t mind instead of criticizing my view solely with your opinions can you do it with some evidence from your scriptures which specifically say that a woman’s neck and hair should always be covered for modesty? I am really interested in learning where Islam teaches this.

      Thanks.

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  13. Erasmus

    Quran 24:31
    Sahih International:
    And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.

    The Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Sikh etc. women who wear scarf are also wearing as a uniform for spiritual service I think that is not different from the Nun.

    Erasmus, Muslim women are not wearing their scarf as a beauty contest but as a uniform for spiritual service which is a duty for every Muslim woman is to do to worship their God at all times.

    Health hazard at the beach? Exposing a woman body as nude at the beach is against the Bible with regards to nudity, illicit sex, strip etc. and also exposes their body for cancer.

    Naked on the beach is more of a health hazard than covering your body to prevent suns heat and.

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  14. Thanks Intellect,

    That’s interesting and gives further food for thought.

    Five out of seven of the english translations of this verse in the koran that I have seen translate with the word “veil” not “headcover”. Only shakir and sahih go with the headcover translation.

    The veil covers the face. This would make the burka mandatory. So now we know why the taliban and isis make their women wear the burka? Not doing so is haram for them as they go with the veil meaning.

    Which is correct? Headcover or veil? You don’t seem to have a clear scriptural guide in Islam or somebody is making a false translation to change the meaning for his own agenda.

    As far as the bible is concerned the veil is rejected because Rebekah only put it on after she came to the place of her betrothed Isaac. This is the evidence unless there is another text relating to this. If someone can find another they are welcome to inform me.

    Covering the hair or head would also be rejected as mandatory at all times because Paul commands women to cover their hair\head during worship:

    1 Cor 11 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

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  15. Erasmus

    A veil can be a headcover and a headcover can be a veil. Check their meaning in a dictionary. When you use a head cover to cover your body it means the covered part is veiled. Why are you not researching the English language and wasting my time on veil and scarf?

    You said;
    The veil covers the face. This would make the burka mandatory. So now we know why the taliban and isis make their women wear the burka? Not doing so is haram for them as they go with the veil meaning.

    Which is correct? Headcover or veil? You don’t seem to have a clear scriptural guide in Islam or somebody is making a false translation to change the meaning for his own agenda.

    I say;
    No. the Quran does not support the burqa in my view because the verse above said

    ————–
    Quran 24:31
    Sahih International:
    And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose…………………
    —————

    There is exception according to the verse. The necessary part must not be covered. Our face is necessary because our ear must be used to hear, eyes see, nose breath well and not in a veil, face for identification which is necessary, etc.

    The face must not be covered according to the verse.

    You know in all religion people interpret things differently that is why we have Unitarian Christians, Trinitarians Christians, Jewish women who covers like Muslim women but others do not cover and others goes to the extreme to want to cover every single inch of their body.

    Burqa to me is extreme. But if someone wants to do it it does not bother me and the Taliban should not use force because there is no compulsion in religion according to Quran.

    You said;
    Covering the hair or head would also be rejected as mandatory at all times because Paul commands women to cover their hair\head during worship:

    I say;
    Mary the mother of your God covers her hair. You said I have no proof because the pictures I provided are paintings and conjecture.

    They New Testament you believe must be a conjecture also because you have no proof of the Aramaic NT from Jesus. You just believed the conjecture Greek NT.

    I have never ever seen the paintings of Mary, the mother of Jesus in her underwear and brazier exposing her breasts, buttocks, private parts and inviting serious illness of skin cancer like how French beach ladies are dressed and the French mayors are happy about that and tried to ban skin protective layer from Muslim women.

    Religious Jewish women cover their hair like the Mother of Jesus so that is the religion of Mary the Mother of Jesus that put the duty on her but it is not conjecture.

    Religious Jewish women today cover their hair and breasts and shoulders so it must be a Jewish religious tradition passed down. It is evidenced and a proof today from religious Jewish women but not a conjecture.

    Thanks.

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  16. Intellect, no point trying to reason with an intolerant, morally bankrupt bigot like ‘eramus’. These same peolple are frothing at the mouth with condemnation when saudi arabia and iran impose their dress code on women. Yet when the french impose their dress code on Muslim women, they find 101 lame, pathetic excuses for them!! The irony! You can’t reason with bigotry!!

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  17. @ Intellect

    Thanks.

    “Religious Jewish women today cover their hair and breasts and shoulders so it must be a Jewish religious tradition passed down. It is evidenced and a proof today from religious Jewish women but not a conjecture”

    I reply,

    There is nothing in the law of Moses which requires the constant covering of the hair so this is not a requirement.

    Paul agrees with this by commanding the hair to be covered only during worship.

    What Jewish women do with their freedom is their concern but customs do not have the force of law.

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    • Erasmus

      May be you and Paul of Tarsus do not worship God all the time and at all time. Jewish women, Mary, the mother of Jesus, Muslim women etc. worship God all the time and so they cover their prescribed parts all the time unless at home with their family.

      It is the act of worship to cover their prescribed parts publicly.

      Paul of Tarsus do not worship God all the time so he ordered women not to cover their head because he gave them a break in worshiping God. Jesus did not make such an order so it is the law of Moses to worship God all time and in any thing you are doing. Paul of Tarsus brought his idea which Jesus did not support because Jesus never asked women not to cover her head that is why the traditions of worship by covering their head as Jewish women continue till today.

      The Jewish women and their Rabbi will tell Paul of Tarsus that the Torah was revealed to them and he Paul of Tarsus cannot come and tell them nonsense to stop their religious duties.

      Erasmus, you do not know how to read.

      1 Corinthians 11:6

      New International Version
      For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

      The verse above clearly said woman must cover her head. You never brought any verse that CLEARLY, CLERLY, CLEARLY said a woman must not cover her head but obscure verse for your whims and caprice.

      HOW CAN A WOMAN COVER HER HEAD WITHOUT COVERING HER HAIR? You keep smoking Cuban cigar Erasmus.

      Erasmus, don’t you pray and submit to God at all times? Do you have break in worshping God? You and Paul of Tarsus have breaks in worshiping God. Muslims, Jews and some Christians and infact any God fearing prays to God at all times and in whatever situation and at any time and in what ever he/she does.

      Thanks.

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