Giving daw’ah to Christians.

First of all: What is daw’ah?

keep-calm-and-give-dawah-2Da’wah is an Arabic word which means to invite or summon someone. This term is often used to describe when Muslims share their faith with others, in order to teach them more about Islam.

The Quran instructs believers to: “Invite to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. For your Lord knows best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance” (16:125).

In Islam, it is believed that the fate of each person is in Allah’s hands, so it is not up to individual Muslims to “convert” others to the faith. The goal of da’wah, then, is merely to share information, to invite others towards a better understanding. Then it is, of course, up to the person to make their own choice.

Now to some thoughts and reflections about giving daw’ah to Christians.

If we are really serious about this I strongly recommend reading the Bible from cover to cover. Watching Dr Zakir Naik videos on youtube might be ok but is no substitute for having your own knowledge base to draw from.

Here is a summary of the gospel message you might hear from evangelical Christians:

The Bible says that we are all sinners. This means that we have all offended God. We have all broken His law. Therefore, we are guilty of having sinned. Because of this, we are separated from God and are dead in our sins, and will suffer eternal damnation. The only way to escape this judgment is by receiving Christ – by trusting in what Jesus did on the cross.

You see we cannot remove our own sins, God must do it.

Jesus, who is God in flesh, took our sins in his body on the cross. He died in our place. He paid the penalty of breaking the Law of God that should have fallen upon us.

It is only through Jesus that we can escape the penalty that God will execute upon all who have broken his holy and perfect law. Christians will ask you: Do you want to be saved from the righteous judgment of God?

Now if as a result of this message being preached you believe this gospel and become a born again Christian you will more than likely have some life-changing religious experiences: feelings of peace, a sense of forgiveness of sins, a feeling that God is real and loving, a new spiritual vitality, maybe the sense that Jesus Christ is very real to you. I certainly did. And these experiences confirm the truth of the gospel message. Or so we are told. I find in my conversations with Christians that though it is relatively straightforward to expose the errors and contradictions in their views about God and Jesus, they hold on tight to their religious experiences as proof of the truth of Christianity.    

But there is the catch. If you go on to the internet and Google:

“Krishna changed my life…”

You will find many testimonies like this:

“I knew about Krishna as a God whom all Hindus worship. One day I came to know from a friend about Hare Krishna Maha mantra. I really did not know that everything will start changing once I start chanting the Maha mantra. By reading Bhagvad Gita and chanting all my doubts about life, about God started vanishing. I started understanding that we worry about so many unnecessary stuffs which should be given least priority in life. My habits started changing. Somehow Lord Krishna started providing me with more and more resources which helped me to love him more and more. I started seeing Krishna in my dreams. Hare Krishna chanting cleansed my mind of ignorance and I became fearless day by day. Chanting Hare Krishna provided the first step for knowing Krishna, my purpose in life, and answers to all the questions which troubled my mind.”

“When I chant I am filled with such joy that I can not hold back tears for being able to experience The Most High will down here on earth.”

If you Google: “Mormonism changed my life…”

‘Something strange started to happen; it got real dark in my very small apartment. I didn’t think anything of it at first; thinking it was just a tropical storm coming and it would be over soon like it usually is.

But strangely enough it got pitch black dark and I got real weak and tired and couldn’t understand what was happening. All I could do was turn my head to the wall of the apartment and I saw this little circular bright light, ever so small and getting bigger and bigger each second, I think time stood still for me.

Suddenly a being walked through it, wearing what Joseph Smith described as what Moroni wore the night Joseph Smith was visited three times. I was a bit frightened at first and dared not say a word until spoken too.

I stood up and could see we were about the same height and build. He had a book in his hand and opened it up and faced it towards me. He smiled, closed the book, and walked off back through that circle.

Just a couple of things here, this being was NOT of Spirit, it was flesh & bones just like you and I. Secondly, we communicated without moving our mouths, my thoughts and his were readable to each other.

The angel did not come to judge me although I deserved being chastised, but rather to deliver me a message that I had requested. I know the Mormon Gospel is true beyond the shadow of a doubt.”

If you visit the website of the Latter Day Saints (aka Mormons) at http://www.lds.org you can read dozens of stories about changed lives and moving religious experiences.

If you Google: “Jehovah’s Witnesses changed my life…”

‘I learned that my lifestyle was not pleasing to God and that I had to quit taking drugs and smoking. But the drugs had a strong hold on me. I begged Jehovah God several times a day to help me break free from my bad habits. I wanted to please him. After six months of studying the Bible and associating with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I was able to quit drugs. Now my life is more meaningful. I’m no longer depressed all the time. I met a wonderful Christian man and married him. I have raised my son according to Bible principles. I am so thankful that Jehovah heard my prayers and helped me!’

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You can find numerous examples of similar phenomena from the Roman Catholics (who may tell you how the Mother of God, aka the Virgin Mary, has answered their prayers, perhaps appeared to them and healed them); and from religious Jews; Sikhs and so on.

An important lesson to be learnt here is that these diverse faiths have significantly different creeds and teachings about God, about who Jesus is, and even what is right and wrong. So however wonderful and seemingly compelling these religious experiences are to the people who have them, they cannot all be right. Maybe they are created by jinn or are simply hallucinations – who knows? But they cannot guide us in our search for the truth about our lives and our Creator. We need to find a more reliable way to the truth about God than rely on contradictory religious experiences alone.    

Perhaps uniquely amongst the scriptures of the world the Quran addresses its message to people who “think” and reflect (see Quran 10:24), who use their ‘Aql’ their ‘intellect’.

The Quran does not ask for blind faith in absurdities and contradictions and religious ecstasies.   

Let us see how our God given common sense and simple logic help us distinguish what is from God and what cannot be. After all Bible tells us that ‘God is not the author of confusion’. 

As we have already seen, Christians believe Jesus is God in the flesh who died in our place on a cross.

But how can God die? God is eternal, uncreated, ever-living. Even the New Testament says “God is immortal” (ie not subject to death) see 1 Timothy 6:16 which reads: “It is God alone who has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see”.

So clearly God does not die. The idea is irrational and contradictory and is therefore unlikely to be true.

There are other serious contradictions that tell us a great deal about how God’s teaching has been corrupted and changed from its pure original. 

Careful readers of the earliest gospels (Matthew, Mark & Luke) have long noticed that what Jesus teaches about the attributes of God; the forgiveness of sins; how we are made right before God; the importance of obeying the Jewish Law – all these are very different indeed from the teaching of the apostle Paul and most Christians today.

Lets look at some examples of these stark differences:

How are our sins forgiven according tho Jesus? In the famous Lord’s Prayer he taught his disciples to pray, we read a petition for forgiveness to God which reads: 

‘Forgives us our sins as we also have forgiven those who sin against us. For if you forgive others their trespasses, God will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, neither will your heavenly Father forgive your trespasses.’ (Matt 5:12-14)

No sacrifice, no rituals, no mention of a Trinity of divine persons. Jesus says pray to God directly without any mediator or priest.   

Compare this to the apostle Paul in Romans, “For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood”. Romans 3:25

Islam however places great stress on God as a God of mercy and forgiveness whom the individual can approach directly without the need of any mediator or priest. God says in the Quran:

‘O My servants, who have transgressed against their souls. Do not despair of the mercy of

God, for He forgives all sins, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.’ (39:53).

The gospel of Luke tells a story about a Jew called Zacchaeus

‘Jesus  entered Jericho and was passing through it. A man was there named Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax-collector and was rich. He was trying to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was short in stature. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore tree to see him, because he was going to pass that way. When Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him,

‘Zacchaeus, hurry and come down; for I must stay at your house today.’

So he hurried down and was happy to welcome him. All who saw it began to grumble and said,

‘He has gone to be the guest of one who is a sinner.’

Zacchaeus stood there and said to the Lord, ‘Look, half of my possessions, Lord, I will give to the poor; and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will pay back four times as much.’

Then Jesus said to him, ‘Today salvation has come to this house, because he too is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek out and to save the lost.’

Notice that the man received salvation that very day – not later as a result of Jesus’s alleged death on the cross.

New Testament scholars have long noticed that for Luke salvation and forgiveness of sin does not depend of Jesus’ atoning death. Rather, like an Old Testament prophet Jesus calls the people of Israel to sincere repentance and faith in the One God. Jesus as such is not the object of his proclamation, a fact that is curiously ignored by many Christians today. These Christians do not follow the religion of Jesus but the religion about Jesus.

According to apostle Paul (who never met Jesus, yet over half the New Testament is either by him or about him) you must “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Acts 16

Jesus, in contrast, mirroring the teaching of the Quran, teaches that God knows our weakness and forgives those who, in the self-surrender of faith, bow before the compassionate Lord of the universe.

Once, the Prophet Muhammad reported that the Devil said:

“By my honour, O Lord, I shall never stop misguiding your servants so long as life remains in their bodies!”

The Almighty, the Glorious Lord, said: “By My honour, I shall never cease forgiving them, so long as they ask forgiveness of Me!” (Ahmad).

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* Obedience of the Jewish Law is central to discipleship in the Kingdom of God read Matthew 5:17-20, – and then read Paul’s radically different belief in Ephesians 2:15.

* How do we enter eternal life? By obeying the commandments says Jesus in Matt 19:17 (something Paul would never say – Ephesians 2:15).

* John the Baptist, revered as a great prophet in Islam, appeared proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins in Mark 1. People were baptised in the Jordan – thus their sins were forgiven. So if there sins were forgiven wha was the point of the cross? Superfluous! unnecessary!    

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There are numerous other examples I could recount. These sayings constitute the gospel *of* Jesus. Paul and later Christians preached a gospel *about* Jesus. The Proclaimer had become the one proclaimed. Jesus preached the Kingdom of God and it was the church that came.

The Quran acknowledges that the gospel of Jesus or Injeel is to be found in the existing gospels but is not coterminous with it. Christians are called by God in his final Testament to mankind, the Holy Qur’an, to judge what they believe by the gospel *of* Jesus, and this teaching is confirmed by the Quran. The Quran also corrects the mis-interpretations by Christians who wrongly believe Jesus is God. Jesus bears witness in the Quran that he is just a man.

The New Testament endorses this view. The apostle Peter is reported to have said:

“You that are Israelites, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, was a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know”. Acts 2

Peter was Jesus’s most senior disciple. He clearly did not think Jesus was God!

Clearly the four gospels are not the Injeel. They make claims (eg about the crucifixion) that God has made clear are quite unhistorical. The Quran suggests that the ‘Gospel’ (Injil) is something given to Jesus by God (see surah 5:46).  So it is evident that in the Qur’an the divine Gospel was once revealed to Jesus and it is not books written about Jesus. This is an important point to make with Christians.

Some personal tips on how to Give Da’wah

Listen! Smile!

Be friendly, respectful, and gentle

Be a living example of the truth and peace of Islam

Choose your time and place carefully

Find common ground; speak a common language with your audience

Avoid Arabic terminology with a non-Arabic speaker

Have a dialogue, not a monologue

Clear up any misconceptions about Islam

Be direct; answer questions asked

Speak with wisdom, from a place of knowledge

Keep yourself humble; be willing to say, “I don’t know”

Walk away if the conversation turns disrespectful or ugly

Provide follow-up and support for anyone who expresses interest in learning more

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(The above is based on a talk I gave at London Central Mosque on Saturday 3rd September 2016)



Categories: Christianity, Islam

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  1. The best way is, first, to be the thing that we are inviting others to be.

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  2. This is very good, Jazakallah khayr. I hope muslims can learn and apply this for their da’wah purposes.

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  3. Can you please come and give me dawah? Pretty please?

    Also, since the Koran does not enumerate what texts make up the Injil or “Gospel of Jesus,” one can only assume that what is ment are those compilations which were in use by Christian churches, particularly Aramaic speaking churches, at the time. The Syriac Christian Bible, the Pshitta, was first established in the 3rd century, but Greek-speaking churches had other texts and these were added to the Syriac Bible as time went on. The Diatessaron, or four gospels in one by Tatian, was a very common form of the Gospels which existed in Syriac and Greek (translated into Arabic in the 11th century), and was the version used by Mani, but if one takes the Koran as speaking out of time, then it is reasonable to treat the group of texts which Christian churches have taken to be the “New Testament” as “the Injil.”… (The New Encyclopedia of Islam, edited by Cyril Glasse [Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., Fourth edition 2013], Bible, p. 100)

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    • “Can you please come and give me dawah? Pretty please?”

      so sweeet 😉

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    • Bismillah,

      It is scholarly consensus that Jesus (p) and his disciples native language was Aramaic, the common language of Judea in the first century AD therefore anything out of greek text can not be the Injil of Isa Alaihissalam. 

      Scholarly approach have now taken a direction that the Qur’an milieu had a established common understanding of christianity specifically through the oral Aramaic sphere (see Professor Sidney Griffith and Professor Emran El -Badawi works on this topic).

      The question is where the original aramaic gospel jesus? It is a matter of scholarly debate, but generally it is believed this original utterance of Jesus (p) (or the Injil as the Qur’an refer to) is lost. So It makes perfect sense why the Qur’an was revealed. It is the final reminder for spreading genuine Abrahamic monotheism through Ishmael line to whom Abraham had been promised to be blessed .

       

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  4. You sure you want to invite people to this deen?

    This gives you an idea of the kind of terror that Islam strikes in the hearts of even those who follow it. In these two reports you will see Muhammad’s best friends and two of the first three caliphs being terrified of dying since they knew that neither Muhammad nor his god could give them any kind of assurance of salvation:

    322. It was narrated from Humaid bin ‘Abdur- Rahman al-Himyari that Ibn ‘Abbas said in Basrah: I was the first one to come to ‘Umar when he was stabbed… I said to him: Receive the glad tidings of Paradise; you accompanied the Messenger of Allah, your companionship with him was long; you were appointed in charge of the believer and showed strength and fulfilled the trust. He said: As for your glad tidings to me of Paradise – ‘Affan [another narrator] said: No by Allah besides Whom there is no god – if I had the entire world and all that is in it, I would give it as a ransom from the terror that lies before me, even before knowing the outcome. As for what you say about me being in charge of the believers’ affairs, by Allah I wish that I could get out of it without gaining or losing anything. As for what you said about me accompanying the Prophet of Allah, that is true.

    Comments: (Its isnad is saheeh). (The English Translation of Musnad Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal: Hadith No. 1 to 1380, Abu Abdullah Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal Ash-Shaibani, translated by Nasiruddin Al-Khattab, edited by Huda Al-Khattab [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, 2012], Volume 1, Musnad Abu Ishaq Sa’d bin Abi Waqqas, pp. 191-192)

    454. It was narrated that Hani’, the freed slave of ‘Uthman said: ‘Uthman used to stand by the grave and weep until his beard became wet. It was said to him: You remember Paradise and Hell, and you do not weep, but you weep for this? “The grave is the first stage of the Hereafter. If one is saved from it (i.e., its torments), then what comes after it is easier. But if one is not saved from it (i.e., its torments), then what comes after it is worse. And the Messenger of Allah said: By Allah, I have never seen any frightening thing but the grave is more frightening than it.”

    Comments: (Its isnad is saheeh). (Ibid., p. 258)

    Don’t forget that Umar was Muhammad’s father-in-law and Uthman had married two of Muhammad’s daughters. Now if even Muhammad’s closest companions were afraid of dying, what hope does this leave the rest of the Muslims with?

    On second thought, I think it’s best you keep your dawah to yourself. 😉

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    • Your God is afraid to die.

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    • You out barking again? You know what your profit said about dogs, especially black ones: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2016/09/fun-islamic-facts-11-muhammads-war-on.html

      Now I know grammar isn’t your strong suit since it isn’t the strong suit of your god either in light of all the grammatical blunders in your (un)holy book, so let me educate you. You meant to say that “Your God WAS afraid to die.”

      With that said, let me correct you on your blasphemous distortion. Muhammad’s God and Destroyer, Jesus Christ, wasn’t afraid of physical death or of burning in hell like your profit is right now. Rather, his fear was to experience broken fellowship from the Father and the Spirit since that is the consequence of sin which he came to endure. Read Isaiah 59:1-2 and Micah 3:4 for starters. This, for Christ, was hell, which is why he was dreading the notion of having to drink the cup seeing that the Father and the Spirit are the two Persons that he loves with an infinite love, and whom love him in the same exact way. To therefore undergo broken fellowship even momentarily from the Ones who loves and adore, and who love and adore him, was hell for all three members of the Godhead. But since neither you nor your deity know anything about love and fellowship, I know I am going over your head in even trying to explain all this.

      Now that I got your tu qouque fallacy, let us compare the attitude of true believes who trust in the true God, unlike Muhammad’s god who only knows how to terrorize/demonize/torture even his own followers. note the attitude of Paul, the one whose sandals your profit wasn’t worthy to stoop down and touch, let alone the sandals of the Lord Jesus, Muhammad’s God and destroyer:

      “We know that if our earthly house, this tent, were to be destroyed, we have an eternal building of God in the heavens, a house not made with hands. In this one we groan, earnestly desiring to be sheltered with our house which is from heaven. Thus being sheltered, we shall not be found unsheltered. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we wish to be unclothed, but to be further clothed, so that what is mortal might be swallowed up by life. Now He who has created us for this very thing is God, who also has given to us the guarantee of the Spirit. THEREFORE WE ARE ALWAYS CONFIDENT, knowing that while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. Instead, I SAY THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT AND WILLING TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD. So whether present or absent, we labor that we may be accepted by Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his recompense in the body, according to what he has done, whether it was good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:1-10

      “Accordingly, it is my earnest expectation and my hope that I shall be ashamed in nothing, but that with all boldness as always, so now also, Christ will be magnified in my body, whether it be by life or by death. For to me, to continue living is Christ, AND TO DIE IS GAIN. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor to me. Yet I do not know what I shall choose. I am in a difficult position between the two, HAVING A DESIRE TO DEPART AND TO BE WITH CHRIST, WHICH IS FAR BETTER. Nevertheless, to remain in the flesh is more needful for your sake. Having this confidence, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your joyful advancement of the faith, ” Philippians 1:20-25

      “I charge you therefore before God AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHO WILL JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD AT HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM… For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I HAVE FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT, I HAVE FINISHED MY COURSE, AND I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH. FROM NOW ON A CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS LAID UP FOR ME, WHICH THE LORD, THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE, WILL GIVE ME ON THAT DAY, and not only to me but also to all who have loved His appearing… At my first defense no one stood with me, but everyone forsook me. May it not be charged against them. BUT THE LORD STOOD WITH ME AND STRENGTHENED ME, so that through me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear. And I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. THE LORD WILL DELIVER ME FROM EVERY EVIL WORK AND WILL PRESERVE ME FOR HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, TO WHOM BE GLORY FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN.” 2 Timothy 4:1, 6-8, 16-18

      And don’t forget how your god humiliated and shamed your profit by having him die the death of an accursed liar and deceiver per Q. 69:44-47, which I will gladly bring up here for all to see. So even according to your own sources, Muhammad died the death of a wicked lying blasphemer. No wonder Umar and Uthman had no hope or trust in the pronouncements of your god and his profit. Do you blame them?

      So keep barking as I keep muzzling you and your profit for all to see.

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    • You out barking again? You know what your profit said about dogs, especially black ones: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2016/09/fun-islamic-facts-11-muhammads-war-on.html

      Now I know grammar isn’t your strong suit since it isn’t the strong suit of your god either in light of all the grammatical blunders in your (un)holy book, so let me educate you. You meant to say that “Your God WAS afraid to die.”

      With that said, let me correct you on your blasphemous distortion. Muhammad’s God and Destroyer, Jesus Christ, wasn’t afraid of physical death or of burning in hell like your profit is right now. Rather, his fear was to experience broken fellowship from the Father and the Spirit since that is the consequence of sin which he came to endure. Read Isaiah 59:1-2 and Micah 3:4 for starters. This, for Christ, was hell, which is why he was dreading the notion of having to drink the cup seeing that the Father and the Spirit are the two Persons that he loves with an infinite love, and whom love him in the same exact way. To therefore undergo broken fellowship even momentarily from the Ones who loves and adore, and who love and adore him, was hell for all three members of the Godhead. But since neither you nor your deity know anything about love and fellowship, I know I am going over your head in even trying to explain all this.

      Now that I got your tu qouque fallacy, let us compare the attitude of true believers who trust in the true God, unlike Muhammad’s god who only knows how to terrorize/demonize/torture even his own followers. note the attitude of Paul, the one whose sandals your profit wasn’t worthy to stoop down and touch, let alone the sandals of the Lord Jesus, Muhammad’s God and Destroyer:

      “We know that if our earthly house, this tent, were to be destroyed, we have an eternal building of God in the heavens, a house not made with hands. In this one we groan, earnestly desiring to be sheltered with our house which is from heaven. Thus being sheltered, we shall not be found unsheltered. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we wish to be unclothed, but to be further clothed, so that what is mortal might be swallowed up by life. Now He who has created us for this very thing is God, who also has given to us the guarantee of the Spirit. THEREFORE WE ARE ALWAYS CONFIDENT, knowing that while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. Instead, I SAY THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT AND WILLING TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD. So whether present or absent, we labor that we may be accepted by Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his recompense in the body, according to what he has done, whether it was good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:1-10

      “Accordingly, it is my earnest expectation and my hope that I shall be ashamed in nothing, but that with all boldness as always, so now also, Christ will be magnified in my body, whether it be by life or by death. For to me, to continue living is Christ, AND TO DIE IS GAIN. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor to me. Yet I do not know what I shall choose. I am in a difficult position between the two, HAVING A DESIRE TO DEPART AND TO BE WITH CHRIST, WHICH IS FAR BETTER. Nevertheless, to remain in the flesh is more needful for your sake. Having this confidence, I know that I shall remain and continue with you all for your joyful advancement of the faith, ” Philippians 1:20-25

      “I charge you therefore before God AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHO WILL JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD AT HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM… For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I HAVE FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT, I HAVE FINISHED MY COURSE, AND I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH. FROM NOW ON A CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS LAID UP FOR ME, WHICH THE LORD, THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE, WILL GIVE ME ON THAT DAY, and not only to me but also to all who have loved His appearing… At my first defense no one stood with me, but everyone forsook me. May it not be charged against them. BUT THE LORD STOOD WITH ME AND STRENGTHENED ME, so that through me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear. And I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. THE LORD WILL DELIVER ME FROM EVERY EVIL WORK AND WILL PRESERVE ME FOR HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, TO WHOM BE GLORY FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN.” 2 Timothy 4:1, 6-8, 16-18

      And don’t forget how your god humiliated and shamed your profit by having him die the death of an accursed liar and deceiver per Q. 69:44-47, which I will gladly bring up here for all to see. So even according to your own sources, Muhammad died the death of a wicked lying blasphemer. No wonder Umar and Uthman had no hope or trust in the pronouncements of your god and his profit. Do you blame them?

      So keep barking as I keep muzzling you and your profit for all to see.

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    • Concerning Islamic teaching about Assurance of Salvation, this has been discussed here:

      Christian question: You Muslims aren’t even sure whether you have attained salvation. For crying out loud, Muhammad himself wasn’t sure if he would go to heaven according to an authentic hadeeth, so how could you be!?

      It is not correct that Muslims aren’t sure whether they have attained salvation or not. Muslims have a guarantee of salvation and Promise from God to that matter.

      Allah states:

      Surah 9:72

      Allah has promised to the believers -men and women, – Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of ‘Adn (Eden Paradise). But the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allah. That is the supreme success.

      Allah also states:

      Surah 3:9

      Verily, Allah never breaks His Promise

      Now if you ask the Muslim “are you going to paradise?” he is going to say to you “if Allah wills” (insha’allah). The well informed Muslim is not going to tell you “Yes I am going paradise for sure.” No, the Muslim hopes and prays that he will end up in paradise. It’s not because the Muslim is worried whether Allah will keep His promise, for as we have seen Allah does not break His promise. Rather, it is because the Muslim cannot be sure whether he would continue remaining on the straight path and die as a Muslim and the guarantee or promise of salvation is conditional in remaining and dying as a Muslim.

      As for Christians, well there is no consensus regarding this matter.

      If you are a Calvinist you would adhere to the doctrine of the preservation of saints, which basically states that once you’re saved, you’re always saved. Once the Holy Spirit dwells in you it will never leave you. But if you happen to be following the Arminian school of thought you would take a different stance and take a position similar to what Muslims take, which is the doctrine of conditional preservation of the saints, which states that there must be a condition for one to be saved and it is possible for one to lose that status.

      One verse that Christians who adhere to the conditional preservation of saints often appeal to is the following:

      Hebrews 6:4-8

      “For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls upon it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.”

      The above verse according to Arminians clearly shows that the Holy Spirit could possibly leave even after it has dwelt in you.

      They also appeal to the various verses in the Bible that warn believers about apostasy (e.g. 1 Timothy 4:1 and several other verses in the book Hebrews) and then ask why the New Testament would warn against something that isn’t even possible?

      Also, Paul is reported to have said:

      1 Corinthians 15:2

      “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

      Paul is putting on a condition for one to be saved by the Gospel. That condition is that one holds firmly onto it. Clearly there is no point for saying such a thing if it is not possible for a true believer to let go of it. If the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints were true then it would have been enough for Paul to say (or something similar):

      “By this gospel you are saved, once you have firmly embraced the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

      According to the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints once one has become truly regenerate, he will never apostatize. Once he has embraced the gospel he will never let go of it. There is no “ifs” about the matter. However, Paul’s statement fits perfectly well with the doctrine of conditional preservation of the saints, which states that there must be a condition for one to be saved and that is the condition that Paul put:

      if you hold firmly to the word.

      These verses point to the apostasy and since apostasy is at least possible, then how could one be 100% sure that he wouldn’t apostatize in the future? Obviously, Calvinists would try to engage with these verses so we will allow the Christians to have their own “in house” debates on the side and they could try to settle the issue amongst themselves.

      Uncertainty is a motivational factor to make you word harder in being a better person. Imagine you join a university and you are absolutely guaranteed that you would pass all your subjects no matter what you do. It would make no difference whatsoever if you study or not, you are still guaranteed your degree. If that is the case, would any students study just for the sake of studying? Not too many we suppose.

      If someone claims certainty that he will go to heaven then this could lead to some problems. For example if you are absolutely certain that you are going to paradise why should you fear God? The New Testament states:

      1 Peter 2:17

      Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

      Why should we fear God if we know for a fact that we are going to paradise? Why should we fear God anyways? Well the Bible states:

      Exodus 20:20

      Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

      So here we see that the reason why we should fear God is so that it could be a motivation for us to stop sinning. Well why should we stop sinning? Well it’s to avoid God’s wrath. But if the Christian already avoids God’s wrath by believing in and accepting what Jesus supposedly did on the cross then the Christian doesn’t have to worry about God’s wrath anymore. And if he doesn’t have to worry about God’s wrath anymore because he is certain that he is going to paradise then why fear God as the New Testament instructs him to do?

      As for Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) supposedly not being assured of his salvation, this has already been addressed over here.

      Article from: http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/answering_common_questions_on_salvation_that_christians_pose_to_muslims

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    • Apparently the man Jesus (The sometimes immortal omnipotent omniscient Creator of the universe) sweated blood at the prospect of death despite knowing that for him it will be only for a couple of days , tops.. Billions of ordinary men have gone to their deaths with much less drama despite they not knowing if there is an afterlife or not.

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  5. Sam, because of your incessant abusive, derogatory and demeaning language, you trash your own arguments. Again, I repeat abusive language is proof of a failed argument! You need to listen to the man you believe is your lord and saviour and ‘love your enemy’. Until you learn to interact with others in a respectful and responsible manner, you do not deserve to part of any discussion!

    Part of your problem is you surround yourself with people who massage your ego, ( or are just as abusive as you!). Or people like james white, who demonstrates his bigotry by attempting to excuse your nastiness by attributing it to your middle eastern culture!

    Try and put your point of view accross as a grown up not a petulant spoilt brat!!

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  6. Jazak Allah khyran, brother Paul.
    May Allah reward you with Jannah.

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  7. “They make claims (eg about the crucifixion) that God has made clear are quite unhistorical.”

    This begs the question that the Koran is God’s word and as such is illogical. I could equally state that God has made the resurrection claims very historical, and you would have no recourse to dismiss based on your reasoning.

    You need to refine how you do dawah if you expect to convince people of Islam’s truth- fallacious reasoning won’t cut it.

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  8. Hi Sam,

    Don’t get too worked out over some hadiths. Hadiths were orally transmitted for many decades. Massive numbers of forgeries were done. I don’t exact numbers but since I heard of hundreds of thousands of fake hadiths and over 10,000 hadith classified to be likely authentic, that would that 90% or 95% are false right off the bat.

    The Qur’an does not say in any verse to interpret the word of God through another book or set of books to come centuries later but rather the Qur’an says in many verses to use our God given intellect. Thus, the means to interpret the Qur’an is foremost through out God given intellect and not secondary literature compiled by men over centuries in difficulty circumstances.

    Peace

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  9. Excellent article. This deserves to be pinned.

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  10. Yes, excellent article indeed. Masha’ Allah.

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  11. I have read many parts of the Quran but must have overlooked Surah 16:125 which I think is beautiful advice for Muslims to follow considering what I sometimes see on this blog and in real life encounters whether from my Muslim friends or strangers.

    The Bible likewise says “But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.” (1 Peter 3:15-16)

    Jesus once said “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:35)

    I think Muslims can follow this advice just as much as Christians, I mean if you believe in Jesus Christ this applies to you also, just as Ibrahim said right at the top.

    However I’m very disappointed with Sam’s responses. Like Jacob said, you really ruin your own arguments because of your spiteful words and attitude. I really do not wish to judge or criticise you Sam, I am no better human being than you are but this really needs to stop. How can you expect Muslims who you are supposedly trying to help see the truth, take you seriously when you mock them and their prophet so much? Even if you don’t believe Muhammad to be a prophet, he was still a human being who accomplished much in his life just like many other great leaders from around the world did throughout history. Besides that he turned a whole nation of people away from idol worship to a belief in one God whilst also acknowledging Jesus as the messiah and saying nothing but good things about him and his mother Mary. I often see you say that Muhammad was an anti-Christ yet there are people in this world who don’t even believe Jesus was real, if anything they would be closer to your idea of an anti-Christ than Muhammad could ever be.

    For such a vocal advocate for Christ you should set a better example not only for Christians who follow what you say but also for Muslims to even consider your arguments.

    And please do not say it’s because Muslims have been rude to you so you’re retaliating. Did Jesus ever stoop down to the level of his opponents? What happened to following the Proverb that says “A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.”? I know this isn’t always an easy thing to do in person but you are typing online, you have time to write your message in a relaxed manner.

    James 3 has great advice on taming the tongue and it begins with this : “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”

    People such as yourself and David Wood may or not consider yourselves to be teachers but considering your presence online you have a greater responsibility by God to properly represent what you teach, otherwise you will be judged more strictly.

    Once again I don’t want to place any judgement since I am not perfect either but I say it for your own sake.

    Peace

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