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  1. Why didn’t allah reveal this specific criticism in the quran? Pretty important wouldn’t you say?


  2. The end of their world did come, as they perished and entered the indescribable world of heaven, itself. And that is the key. Even children, no especially children, are fully capable of receiving the gospel with saving grace. Misinterpreting the meaning of some passages of Scripture don’t necessarily prevent a person from encountering in person The One Who left us here.

    He is approachable, warm and loving. He is a Dad, ABBA Father. We, each of us, at any time can bring all our questions and concerns directly to Him and where and when we need answers, He provides them. More than that, He is there for us to enjoy; He Himself is the Answer to our lives, from what I’ve been able to glean from the scriptures.


  3. Bart’s interpretation of the apocalyptic scriptures is one of many liberal takes on the subject. Nothing new or particularly revelatory about his point of view. Bart limits these scriptures to encompass only warnings regarding the end of the world for those living at that time. They were intended to provide hope for those suffering; that if they remained steadfast, they would see a mighty divine deliverance. He has no evidence to support that position.

    Remember, too, and this is easily overlooked by many of us, He said His Kingdom is within us, within those of us in whom He lives. Many standing there did not taste death before they saw and experienced in their hearts the coming of His Kingdom and that Kingdom is still available to all who come to Him.


    • “Remember, too, and this is easily overlooked by many of us, he said his kingdom is within us, within those of us in whom he lives. Many standing there did not taste death before they saw and experienced in their hearts the coming of His Kingdom and that Kingdom is still available to all who come to Him.”

      “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

      25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

      1. no redemption followed after the destruction of jerusalem
      2. christians were being judged and terminated


      this makes no sense if the kingdom was “within you”

      Be alert at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand before the son of man.

      4. bart says :

      Yes, as time goes on, the kingdom becomes more internalized (e.g., in Luke to some extent, and in the Gospel of Thomas a whole lot). But when Luke (ch. 17) says that the kingdom is “among” you, it is a mistranslation (found in some translations) to say that it is “within” you. He is talking to his enemies the Pharisees, and he certainly doesn’t think *they* have the kingdom inside of them. The Greek word here means “in your midst” (meaning in his own life and ministry)

      how much more do you want to change the story of your failed idol?

      5. “in their hearts”
      anybody can fix a failed prophet failed claims, just imagine things in your heart.


    • why is it that they fled to the mountains by obey the command about running off to the mountains , but have no expectation of an imminent return which would deliver them ?


    • Bart D. Ehrman, the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, translated a statement in the Gospel of Barnabas which taught “Therefore God truly resides within our place of dwelling – within us.”


    • “why is it that they fled to the mountains…”

      People do all kinds of things in the name of religion that have nothing to do with Jesus.


  4. Thanks for raising these issues. Let’s dig in. He was in their midst and He was and He is living within the hearts of believers.

    “The doctrine of the kingdom in the Gospel of Mark is similar to that presented in Matthew except that uniformly the expression “kingdom of God” is used instead of “kingdom of heaven.”1 Some passages in Mark refer to earthly kingdoms (3:24 ; 6:23 ; 13:8 ). Other references are to the kingdom of God in general, that is, any rule of God over the earth. This seems to be its meaning in such passages as Mark 9:47; 10:14-15, 23-25 . It may also be the meaning in Mark 12:34 where Christ declared that the inquiring scribe was not far from the kingdom.

    Other references in Mark to the kingdom may refer to the kingdom prophesied in the Old Testament and which premillenarians believe will be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom. In Mark 1:14-15 Christ stated, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel.” Here Christ is alluding to the kingdom predicted in the Old Testament. It was then “at hand” in the sense that the King had come, although the kingdom itself had not been inaugurated. In Mark 4:11, 26, 30 Mark used parallel references to the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven expounded in Matthew 13. This refers to the spiritual form of the kingdom which exists in the present age. The details of the kingdom are referred to as “mysteries” because this form of the kingdom was not predicted in the Old Testament. Mark 4 accordingly is a parallel to Matthew 13. of the kingdom as a spiritual rule. In Luke 9:11, 60, 62; 10:9, 11 ; and 12:31-32 the present form of the kingdom is probably in view.

    Although the future kingdom will also be a spiritual rule, Christ’s message concerning the kingdom is referred to as “the gospel of the kingdom of God” (Luke 16:16). In Christ’s answer to the Pharisees concerning when the kingdom of God would be coming, He declared, “Behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst” (17:21 ). While the Pharisees may have had in mind the future earthly reign of Christ, Christ pointed out that the kingdom of God was already in their midst in the form of the King Himself. Children are said to be a part of the kingdom (18:16-17 ). Entering the kingdom is declared to be difficult for the wealthy (18:24-25 ). It should be observed in all these references that the fact that there is a present form of the kingdom does not carry with it the conclusion that this is the only form of the kingdom.”

    “Repentance is an inner change accomplished by an operation of the Spirit of God, just as the Scriptures say: “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you” (Ezek. 36:26).”

    ἐντὸς ὑμῶν (entos hymōn) at Luke 17:21

    J. H. Moulton and G. Milligan, who extensively studied the papyri from Oxyrinchus found the words ἐντὸς ὑμῶν and noted that these were found in a non-canonical saying of Jesus in P Oxy IV.654, where the context favors translating them as “within you.”

    Jesus has refuted the accusation of casting out devils through the power of the devil himself. Jesus pointedly declared that “If by the finger of God I cast out the demons, then upon you has come the Kingdom of God.”


    • so the kingdom did not come but only came in imagination?

      where is there repentance for those who destroyed jerusalem? jesus in luke 21:21-24 says

      “these are the days of vengeance , to full fill all that is written”

      so what is he alluding to here when he says “all that is written” ?

      when those guys ran off to the hills were they waiting for redemption or execution? if they were waiting for execution why didn’t they stay in the place they were told to flee from?


    • “…so the kingdom did not come but only came in imagination?”

      ? Lost me.


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