Here is a man who goes from one religion to another to another…

This individual was originally a committed Christian. Then he converted to Islam where he produced many videos polemicising against Christianity and promoting Islam. Last year he announced he had left Islam and then produced some amateurish videos attacking his former faith. Then he reportedly flirted with Judaism. Now he has announced on Twitter his intention to convert to Christianity once more. Who knows where he will go next? Sikhism? Buddhism? Whatever faith he embraces we can be sure of one thing: he will publicly attack and demonise the faith he has just left.

It is particularly dishonest and deceptive that he still goes by his Muslim name on social media (Ismaa’eel Abu Adam) and has a picture of himself dressed as a Muslim sheikh, presumably to trap the unwary. See below a screen grab of a recent tweet and see how low this individual has sunk. For him the Holy Qur’an is now “trash” and he is “cleansing” himself of Islamic literature. Such disrespect and bigotry is disgusting and indefensible. May God have mercy on his soul!

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Categories: Christianity, Islam, Islamophobia, Judaism, Silly

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  1. Man, this guy is something! Fits right in with the Wood-Shamoun crowd.

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  2. Don’t forget he was a militant Sufi once, attacking other other sects.

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  3. Of course he will announce his conversion to Christianity and flatter the Wood-Shamoun crowd. They’re giving him thousands of dollars on Patreon.

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    • I’m pretty sure Shamoun is broke af.

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    • Shamoun is not of the ideal aesthetics to cash in maximally in that American fundamentalist anti-Muslim market hence why peeps like Wood easily quadruple Shamoun’s income despite copy and pasting from Shamoun and being relatively new on the scene (Shamoun has been “working” for two decades and last I checked is resorting to asking for money on places like Paltalk after little impromptu poorly-attended classes he holds on there)

      There’s an an African American ex Muslim in their crowd who really hasn’t gained a 100th of the traction and following Wood and Converted2Islam.

      Folk may find what I’m saying uncomfortable but IMO it’s the reality in that community – the Islamophobia industry carries a lot of racists. Racism and Islamophobia do have a huge overlap. Ask yourself why groups like EDL, Pegida and Britain First are in that industry. Ask yourself why Islamophobic website comment sections will contain racially abusive comments.

      The players in the industry will know all this. A microcosm of all this was when one of Sam Shamoun’s colleagues belittled Middle Easterners – Shamoun didn’t say anything despite him being of Middle Eastern heritage. Sam Shamoun knew his place in that industry. He knew his rank! This type of theme came up in a private discussion between myself and a rabbi who was enquiring why there were so many Middle Eastern Christians in the Islamophobia industry and why they seem to be the wildest – it’s because of their aesthetics and race scream Muslim (!) so they are viewed with suspicion thus in order to gain the trust of folk in that industry they take their Islamophobic antics to more extreme levels in order to ingratiate with their superiors and offset the suspicions that come with their aesthetics.

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  4. I didn’t know The Deen Show put out DVDs!!! Learn something new everyday…
    Oh! The bloke seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, i’ve always wondered why people who leave a religion continue to spend so much of their time talking and defining themselves by what they used to believe.

    I thought the whole point was to move on from it (the religion) and go do something else. Maybe knitting, gardening, oregami, golf, etc…

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  5. As far as I understand his journey has been:

    Catholic to Protestant to Muslim (Salafi) to Muslim (Sufi) to Messianic Judaism (allegedly) now judging by his latest comment a hint at another form of Christianity (perhaps Modalism or Unitarianism – I highly doubt he is a Trinitarian Christian).

    It’s interesting this conversion to Christianity news has coincides with him having another child. The cynic in me would say he knows the Christians are the biggest payers around (even Shamoun’s unhinged Coptic buddies (Dakdok and CP) who even struggle to communicate clearly make livings out of the American Christian evangelical Islamophobia business) and he’s positioning himself for some easy cash.

    Integrity is important.

    A group of Muslims went head-over-heels for this guy when he left Christianity and converted to Islam in the early days of YT which was a common occurrence back then – their channels would swell with subscribers and followers. He was only really repeating material from Shk. Ahmed Deedat which is not exactly the cutting edge of apologetics in today’s climate. Converted2Islam did try to have a role in his local mosque but that did not end well. He also had personal issues which ended up in the news too.

    I just get the feeling some folk really find it difficult with the idea of being nondescript in a community. Being a regular man or woman in a community. There’s nothing wrong with that; the vast majority of human beings are exactly that. Folk who get all this attention do have a challenge of ego – I’ve seen people in Dawah/Apologetics struggle with this. I guess for him he has had this issue from way back in his Catholic days.

    There’s a Muslim convert we all know, Dr Jonathan Brown. From what I’ve seen of him I always get the feeling he is a man of integrity. Especially after the Bart Ehrman book “Misquoting Jesus” there was an opening and possible seduction from the anti-religious crowd for an academic to attempt something similar with Prophet Muhammad p but Dr Brown went the opposite way with his book. The same applies when he met the Quilliam guys – he publicly stated he felt he had to shower after meeting them. That’s integrity in my view. I’m not putting him on a pedestal – he’s a human being with flaws too like you and I. I’d also say the same for Yale educated Dr Yasir Qadhi – another gentleman who I feel exudes integrity.

    Integrity is important and Muslims who “follow” Muslims in the public eye really need to be alert to the possible fitna (tribulation) they can be for that individual in the long run. The ego really can be swelled by a bunch of folk telling you how ace you are – some people can become dependent on their dopamine fixes from such a following and if that slows down for whatever reason you could potential have dramatic reckless cries to regain attention and adoration (possibly from a new crowd of “followers”).

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  6. An entire post o ad hom.

    LOL

    Paul why don’t you use your vastly small intellectual capabilities to debate the guy? If he is so wrong, it should be easy for you refute him in a debate.

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  7. Graham, it’s sad that you’ve come here to insult people and troll rather than dialogue.

    WWJD?

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    • Jesus insults religious hypocrites too.

      WWMD?

      “Ahhhh….my head……!!!!”

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    • Graham, I will entertain you for a moment.

      The Trinitarian view of Jesus would have folk believe Jesus ordered the killing of apostates as per Deut 13.

      If that doesn’t get you thinking about consistency and fairness I don’t know what will.

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    • It’s funny that you posted one o your intellectually dishonest videos following criticsm of your intellectually dishonest videos.

      Nowhere in deuteronomy 13 does it say to kill people for apostasy.

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    • Deuteronomy 13:6-11

      “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. …

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    • Paul

      And?

      Where dies it say to kill those who change their religion? Mohammed says to kill those who change their religion.

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    • now you are just being thick.

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    • Paul

      Not really.

      Mohammed is unequivocal about killing people who change their religion.

      Nowhere in Deuteronomy 13 does it say to kill those who change their religion. Why don’t you show me exactly where it says to kill people just for changing their religion?

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    • Paul

      I suspect you know that you are skating on thin ice, hence, your childish bravado.

      I’ll spell it out for your readers. The text says…..

      ““If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. “

      The important part is emboldened. The crime is to entice others to disbelief, not to disbelieve.

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    • Paul

      Common senses and the truth are weird?

      Weird.

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    • no your comments are weird. Are you smoking something?

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    • Paul

      No.

      But you have shown your readers the real reason you don’t debate in academic settings. You are an emperor without clothes and would be horribly exposed in such a setting.

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    • “The important part is emboldened. The crime is to entice others to disbelief, not to disbelieve.”

      enticing others to disbelief could be very dangerous . you could get cooked because you become a contagion.

      12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

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    • edward

      yes. You agree with me. There is no command to kill people for apostasy, only for leading others to worship other canaanite gods.

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    • “yes. You agree with me. There is no command to kill people for apostasy, only for leading others to worship other canaanite gods.”

      if you forsook yhwh by prostituting your heart for other gods, then you LEFT your religion and thats why yhwh/jebus gives heavy punishment for this

      the people who are leading the others into prostituting their hears for other gods have ALREADY prostituted their hearts for other gods.

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    • 2 natures , 1 person aka jesus krishna krist, thought you became a contagion.
      why?

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    • edward

      you are zealous, but stupid.

      The text does not say to kill people for disbelief, but for enticing others. Apostasy is not a crime or christians or jews.

      Now, those who entice others was a problem because canaanite religios practices included human sacrifice, child sex, mindless prayer rituals and the like. In fact, canaanite religion sounded like islam in many ways.

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    • “yes. You agree with me. There is no command to kill people for apostasy, only for leading others to worship other canaanite gods.”

      okay, using your reasoning .
      in the bible, if your heart seek other gods and you cause people to prostitute your hearts for other gods (holy spirit) , then you are to be SLAUGHTERED and burned, right?

      so according to you, prostituting your heart doesn’t necessary mean you apostated only that you are leaving your choices open cause it is possible that in your heart you are getting more answers from other gods, right? lol

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    • The text does not say to kill people for disbelief, but for enticing others. Apostasy is not a crime or christians or jews.”

      quote:
      Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

      so turning away from yhwh and leaving him for other gods is not a crime?
      do you know the definition of apostasy according to judaism?

      “Now, those who entice others was a problem because canaanite religios practices included human sacrifice, child sex, mindless prayer rituals and the like. In fact, canaanite religion sounded like islam in many ways.”

      human sacrifice? so what does yhwh command ?

      “16 thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.”

      everything becomes a contagion. like the canaanite gods yhwh does tit for tat

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    • “Now, those who entice others was a problem because canaanite religios practices included human sacrifice, child sex, mindless prayer rituals and the like. In fact, canaanite religion sounded like islam in many ways.”

      1. thats just bull shit you pulled right out of your ass (maybe your brain?).
      2. it is yhwh who has a taste for infant blood and unborn
      3. even animals are not spared

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    • “The text does not say to kill people for disbelief, but for enticing others. Apostasy is not a crime or christians or jews.”

      A
      quote:
      The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

      B
      quote:

      It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

      C:
      quote:
      That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery

      tell me how the jews understand the hebrew word

      סָרָה ???

      quote:
      6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity

      comment : obviously referring back to A and B

      quote:

      0 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

      comment : linked back to C

      as for the canaanites being beyond recovery , have a listen

      you people are scum.

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    • Graham, they are still apostates that are ordered to be killed with the proviso they are preaching their new faith. And in addition, how about Deut 17:2-6, that teaches the killing of people who take other gods.

      The fact is, according to the fundamentalist Christian this Converted2Islam fella would be put together due to Jesus’ orders if he lived back in those days as he left Christianity and began to preach a different faith.

      And if he was enslaved Jesus would allow him to be severely beaten as long as he got up after a couple of days according to the same fundamentalist Christian crowd (ref Ex 21:20) not to mention those folk believe Jesus ordered the killing of children and women in Samuel 15:3 according to Trinitarian thought.

      it’s clear the Trinitarian view of Jesus is at odds with the secular society we live in today; both American and European.

      I understand these things are difficult for our Christian friends who have been raised up on slogans of Jesus loves everyone etc.. but that was the Church trying to fit in with their liberal society. John Calvin, the Puritans, Paul of Tarsus, Guy Fawkes, Pope Urban and Athanasius really would not fit into today’s society.

      Christians seem to be undecided on whether their loyalty is with the Bible or Western secular liberalism.

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    • “Now, those who entice others was a problem because canaanite religios practices included human sacrifice, child sex, mindless prayer rituals and the like. In fact, canaanite religion sounded like islam in many ways.”

      this was the video

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    • edward

      “okay, using your reasoning .
      in the bible, if your heart seek other gods and you cause people to prostitute your hearts for other gods (holy spirit) , then you are to be SLAUGHTERED and burned, right?

      so according to you, prostituting your heart doesn’t necessary mean you apostated only that you are leaving your choices open cause it is possible that in your heart you are getting more answers from other gods, right? lol”

      this is why I think you are stupid. I said nothing of the sort. It really is quite simple even for the person with slightly below average intelligence.

      The death penalty is commanded for israelites of the time who were surrounded by polytheists whose religious practices were similar to some islamic practices – child sex, human sacrifice, venerating stones and cube-shaped tents, and praying mindless repetitions.

      I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice. These are practices still present in islamic practice.

      “human sacrifice? so what does yhwh command ?”

      The islamic practice of killing apostates is human sacrifice.

      Yahya

      ” And in addition, how about Deut 17:2-6, that teaches the killing of people who take other gods.”

      LOL.

      YOu have been trawling the internet since you stopped commenting this morning looking for that deut. 17 quote?

      Those call for the killing of those who spread canaanite religious practices – child sex, human sacrifice, venerating stones, mindless repetitive prayers, and the like. I think people who have sex with children and sacrifice their human beings to glorify their own gods should well be put to death.

      Do you think having sex with children should be punished severely?

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  8. May Allah open his heart and get him back to the light of Islam from this darkness. He just needs to prostrate to Al Hayy Al Qyum.

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  9. I think the problem is that Muslims are too tolerant. But these people will always claim that Muslims are not tolerant and pretend like that they are in danger. I would honestly love if someone could just finish this guy.

    What are we discussing about with these people? Rape, pedophilia…. First of all we have to note these are the things they accuse everyone they don’t like of. Migrants (Mexicans, African, Muslim) rape women and girls and gays rape boys. So they accuse everyone they hate of raping their women and children. That is part of their disgusting ideology.

    They don’t discuss the problems in the Bible and nobody whether Christians nor atheists discuss Tawhid which is the foundation of Islam. All they do is hateful rant. Therefore let’s not be too tolerant.

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    • Rider

      I’ll discuss tawhid with you. Tell me about allah – tell about his nature, who and what he is. Most muslims I’ve spoken to stutter and waffle when I ask them because they don’t know.

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    • grayhound aka graham

      can you tell everyone is “one” in “one person”

      means ONE or complex unity?

      is the father really one in trinity or a complex 3 in one

      so are their 9 complex unities within the trinity?

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  10. Paul Williams wrote….”he produced many videos polemicising against Christianity and promoting Islam. Last year he announced he had left Islam and then produced some amateurish videos attacking his former faith. ”

    My response: So Paul where the video’s he produced “polemicising against Christianity and promoting Islam. ” amateurish too, or did his video’s only become “amateurish” after he left Islam and started ” attacking his former faith”?

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  11. edward


    The death penalty is commanded for israelites of the time who were surrounded by polytheists whose religious practices were similar to some islamic practices – child sex, human sacrifice, venerating stones and cube-shaped tents, and praying mindless repetitions.”

    wrong. your god told the israelites to kill family members whom they love. why?
    because

    quote:
    Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    these are family people like mother, father, sister who are loved ones. and these are a people who tell the jews to prostitute their heart and soul for other gods. similar to paul who told the jews to leave yhwhs “old testament” and replace with human sacrificial ritual and abrogate all ot laws

    this would be called “apostasy” because :

    It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

    the people are leaving the commands and god for other gods and other life style.

    the simple question is ,

    WHAT STATE ARE THEY IN WHEN THEY TURN PEOPLE AWAY FROM yhwh??

    guess what.

    the pagans had NO RULE for people enticing people into worshipping other gods. were the pagans more ADVANCED than yhwh?

    as for religious practices, well look in the torah, you can see ritual burning and slaughter all over the place
    children are burned to death because they became contagion lol


    I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice. These are practices still present in islamic practice.”

    jesus raped his mum. how about that? then he suckled her. yhwhs children took little kids to the tent? to make them wives or concubines? no fondling took place?

    it is jesus who gets deuteronomy 13 applied on him and then executed in public. something to think about.

    “Jesus provided just the controversy need to substantiate the Pharisees’ position. Look what happened to him! By the time of his death, he had no followers, a mob had just chanted to kill him, and his religion was effectively wiped out. Pharisees proven again to be correct that violating YHWH’s laws only brings condemnation.”

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  12. Graham

    You said;
    this is why I think you are stupid. I said nothing of the sort. It really is quite simple even for the person with slightly below average intelligence.

    The death penalty is commanded for israelites of the time who were surrounded by polytheists whose religious practices were similar to some islamic practices – child sex, human sacrifice, venerating stones and cube-shaped tents, and praying mindless repetitions.

    I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice. These are practices still present in islamic practice.
    “human sacrifice? so what does yhwh command ?”
    The islamic practice of killing apostates is human sacrifice.

    I say;
    When your Christian religion is exposed you have nothing substantial to present except to insult us like Sam Shamoun.

    You insulted me as Pig and now insulting Edward as stupid when he proved apostasy from the Bible commanded by Jesus Christ.

    “the death penalty is commanded for Israelites to the time” -Graham

    But this stupid Graham Christian who worship a creature-Jesus a man i.e. a pig is calling me a pig and asking me to follow modern “age limit” and “gay marriage” law and apply to my daughter.

    This useless Graham will say “the death penalty is commanded for Israelites to the time” and think death penalty at that time is different from death penalty today. Idiot.

    You worship a creature i.e. pig and calling me a pig. Your God Jesus said pigs are unclean and that is why you are calling me pig but your God is a man and a creature like pig which is unclean. Your God Jesus Christ visits toilet and shit like pig and you still worship him and call me pig and call others stupid because they proved the Bible to allow death penalty for apostasy.

    ANYONE WHO THINKS DEATH PENALTY OF APOSTASY BY JESUS TO ISRAELITES AT A PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME IS DIFFERENT FROM DEATH PENALTY TODAY IS A USELESS PERSON.

    THE EVIDENCE IS THAT JESUS COMMANDED DEATH PENALTY FOR APOSTASY UNLESS YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ OR YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH LANGUAGE OR BEING IDIOT LIKE HOW YOU FORGOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL SCRIPTURE IS FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, LEARNING, TEACHING ETC.

    THAT SAME PERSON(GRAHAM) WILL CRITICIZE OTHER DEATH PENALT BUT RECKLESSLY DEFENDING THE DEATH PENALTY COMMANDED BY JESUS CHRIST.

    Yes Graham, I am a creature and I could be a pig because a pig is a creature like me and God could create me a pig.

    You, Graham, you worship a creature i.e. man i.e. pig and calling me a pig. I do not worship a creature but worship the only true God of Abraham who is not a creature but a creator.

    Thanks.

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    • Graham

      You said;
      I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice. These are practices still present in islamic practice.
      “human sacrifice? so what does yhwh command ?”

      I say;
      Idiot. You forgot your salvation is dependent on human sacrifice.
      You forgot the crosses and statues you worship everyday
      You forgot Jews bowing in front of Western wall but both the Jews and Muslims do not worship stones but the wall is just a place of worship. Brainless people like you will not know that.

      Thanks.

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    • “I say;
      Idiot. You forgot your salvation is dependent on human sacrifice.
      You forgot the crosses and statues you worship everyday”

      it’s a death cult.

      “jesus died for you…”

      “carry the tool which he was nailed to ”

      the religion is a death cult

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  13. “Those call for the killing of those who spread canaanite religious practices – child sex, human sacrifice, venerating stones, mindless repetitive prayers, and the like. I think people who have sex with children and sacrifice their human beings to glorify their own gods should well be put to death.”

    “child sex”

    what were hebrews doing to children before they slaughtered them?


    venerating stones”

    Numbers 21:9
    So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

    2Kings 18:4
    He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan.

    moses man, what did you do? these guys started doing the same filth as the pagans

    “mindless repetitive prayers”

    father not my will but your will and jesus fell to the floor 3 times
    pharisees following oral traditions which they thought went back to moses time followed group prayers which were REPETITIVE

    david in psalms is repeating himself in his prayers

    jesus would be a jew praying like the jews saying repetitive stuff

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    • it is quite clearly that the hebrews, the more they left their gods commands , the more pagan they became.
      their history is full of apostasies .

      today we hear crap like this :

      “The death penalty is commanded for israelites of the time who were surrounded by polytheists ”

      but we see their apostasies even when they become powerful and dominate.

      lol

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    • Graham

      John Calvin, Martin Luther, the Christian crusaders kill apostates. It continued until the Christians were beaten severely and freedom of religion was forced on them(Christians). Actually freedom of religion was given to Christians by force. I have been providing the evidence here.

      Now the Christians want to vote for Donald Trump who grabs MARRIED women private parts and enter into children(girls) to see their private parts and have sex with them to rule the world and kill more Muslims, Latinos, women and disabled people.

      The most child sex offenders in the world now a days are Christians i.e. Church Fathers and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger(Pope Benedict) came out publicly to apologize to the victims of this child sex by Christians following the examples of Jesus Christ in the Bible as the Bible is said to be the book of righteousness, learning, teaching etc,

      Pastor Jimmy Swaggart, Pastor Eddie Lee Long etc. are all following the examples of child sex in the Bible commanded by Jesus Christ to be caught having child sex and prostitution, adultery as Jesus commanded Abraham to rape his maid without marrying her and producing illegitimate child.

      Thanks.

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  14. Graham’s an idiot.

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    • I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice..”

      interesting. so you think that jesus’ dead blood is not really working , is it?

      you have admitted “may be worth the death penalty…”

      we always said that when ever things go wrong for you guys you go back to ot to find solution lol

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  15. Taking the entire Bible as a whole is critical.There are certain situations, specific instances, when God endorses the use of violence. Some things are worse than death. Life is real. This isn’t a dress rehearsal. There are things which God hates. The most important application/lesson we can take away from these verses is to be sure we are on the right side, God’s side. He is not fooling around and while He is merciful, loving, forgiving, etc, He does not, He cannot, He will not tolerate sin. He hates sin. He’s made provision for it and we either utilize it or suffer. God doesn’t promise that we will not die. He does say, be prepared for it, always. Keep your lamps full.

    If I can talk you into faith, someone smarter can talk you out of it. An encounter with the divine, however, is altogether different. It is tough to talk someone out of something like that. IF there is a God and He reveals Himself to a person, it makes sense that that would be a very special occurrence, by definition.

    Bart recalls his born again relationship with Jesus as a completely unique and extraordinarily powerful, life changing experience.

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    • Hank L. Birnbaum III
      October 30, 2016 • 4:37 pm

      You said;
      Bart recalls his born again relationship with Jesus as a completely unique and extraordinarily powerful, life changing experience.

      I say;
      Idol worshipers have relationship with their Gods as a completely unique and extraordinarily powerful life changing experience.

      Hindus, Sikhs, suffis, voodoo priests in Haiti, Buddhist etc. will tell you that their relationship with God is as a completely unique and extraordinarily powerful life changing experience.

      If experience is your yard stick of knowing God, then you are completely lost.

      Yardstick for God of Abraham is what He said in the Old Testament and that He is one, only and alone God of Abraham and NOTHING IS comparable to him

      Graham

      You said;

      I think that it may be worth the death penalty to prevent perverts from having sex with children and engaging in human sacrifice..”

      I say;
      It is death penalty according to you is for not to worshiping a creature i.e. Jesus Christ a man like a pig who goes to toilet and it smells like how pig shit smell, hybrid God Man who is non existent, 3 persons 1 God which is non existent BUT you find it bad for death penalty on those who will not worship “the only true God of Abraham”- Jesus.

      You are happy with the death penalty for who will not worship a creature but not happy for the death penalty for those who will not worship God of Abraham who is not a creature at all.

      That is the bull shit you have in your brain.

      Thanks.

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    • “Bart recalls his born again relationship with Jesus as a completely unique and extraordinarily powerful, life changing experience.”

      this is not the way to come to god. if any random jinn with holes in his hands and feet appear to you, would you be the first to worship?
      catholics have maryam apparitions

      what if you have an apparition one day which tells you to keep ot laws , will you listen?

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  16. “. There is no command to kill people for apostasy, only for leading others to worship other canaanite gods.”

    quote:
    So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.

    grayhound,

    why should they fear becoming apostates ?

    let the bible answer:

    All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.

    what does “seek ” mean?

    apostate
    ˈapəsteɪt/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
    “after fifty years as an apostate he returned to the faith”

    “all who would not SEEK the lord…”

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    • He is an idiot and we are here to keep him in check when he lack the knowledge of English language. Fortunately, we have time for him-Graham when he exhibit the lack of understanding English language. I am working behind a computer and can blog when I have little break.

      I come here to talk the truth about the God of Abraham who is ” one and the only true God(Jesus not included because Jesus said of a God he was not)”- Jesus

      Any rubbish Graham vomits he will get the truth about the Bible which contains the commands of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

      Thanks.

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  17. “What is religion but seeking God, inquiring after him, applying to him upon all occasions? We make nothing of our religion, if we do not make heart-work of it; God will have all the heart, or none.” M Henry

    How are we to love God with all our minds, hearts and strength? How can God demand that we love Him? Can love be coerced? Is love like electricity that can be turned on with a switch?

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    • How are we to love God with all our minds, hearts and strength?”

      in the old testament days (jesus was dying for this day to come back in his life time) you would love god with your might and strength by loving his laws. so when god said “stone the idol worshipper”
      love would take the form of picking up heavy stones and with all might and strength cracking skulls

      surely when moses carried out the legalism he was loving god with mind, body and strength.

      you just can’t interpret it all by spirutualizing it and disobeying all the other punishments and rituals which moderniser think are harsh and immoral .

      example

      today there are people making pornography in buildings.

      what would be true love of god?

      according to jesus, he would grab a whip and whip out the fornicators.

      idol worshippers are rampant

      people are using expensive material to make idols.

      ot stipulates the smashing of idol worshipper infra structure other wise it would cause apostasies

      christians and jews are embarrassed of their gods rulings and try their best to make hundreds of conditions

      funny thing is that both you guys continuing making conditions while in your countries the problems ot warns against is growing

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  18. To love someone implies they are love-worthy. Can God command that we love Him if He’ is a cruel, distant being who does not concern Himself with our affairs? IOW, God can only demand that we love Him because He is Perfect love, because He cares deeply for us, because He’s intimately aware of who we really are, not the show we put on for others, and even ourselves. He is a true Being. He has feelings. He thinks and wills and hurts and laughs and takes pride in His kids. I believe even the slightest effort we make in a sincere attempt to honor Him pleases Him. He does know our frames, that we are but dust. And He is close to us, if we want Him to be, so close, that we can know and sense His presence. We can know God, as intimately as we wish. And there is something precious, tender and life-giving, as we continue building a friendship with Him.

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    • To love someone implies they are love-worthy. Can God command that we love Him if He’ is a cruel, distant being who does not concern Himself with our affairs? IOW, God can only demand that we love Him because He is Perfect love, because He cares deeply for us, because He’s intimately aware of who we really are, not the show we put on for others, and even ourselves.”

      you said “if he’s cruel…”

      but if god gave commands to smash skulls , then god of ot must be loving his command.after all it came out of gods mind. what you perceive as harsh your god perceives as beneficial and love worthy.

      and he wanted moses to love his commands through heart, mind and action

      so when moses was carrying out the smashing of skulls then their has to be a passion, a buzz a connection

      a moving a magnetism.

      its no longer “a human told me to smash skulls ” but “god told me to obey his laws and rituals”

      “do i know better than god ” says moses

      so every christian who is ashamed of ot is ashamed of yhwh.

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    • “To love someone implies they are love-worthy. Can God command that we love Him if He’ is a cruel, distant being who does not concern Himself with our affairs? IOW, God can only demand that we love Him because He is Perfect love, because He cares deeply for us, because He’s intimately aware of who we really are, not the show we put on for others, and even ourselves.”

      so like i said, moses through his might and strength took pleasure in smashing skulls.

      otherwise it would be meaningless if he wasn’t willingly to do the smashing for yhwh. whats point then? if there is no love in taking pleasure in what yhwh said, whats the point? it becomes pointless.

      so there has to be a love, a magnetism a moving of the heart.

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    • “Can God command that we love Him if He’ is a cruel, distant being who does not concern Himself with our affairs?”

      but in ot he spoke to moses like no other human being.

      quoting jewish apologists :

      I know what you may be trying to do…. and I’m going to stop you. There is no duality in Torah. The fact that Moses was the man chosen to be the greatest of all prophets was not something “designed by G-d”. Moses became that because of who he was as a man and through his own actions. His actions brought him near to G-d.. as such.. no other prophet ever achieved the level of revelation as Moses. And I didn’t say this, G-d Himself did: (Numbers 12:)

      end quote

      so we have direct hearing
      moses through obeying god reached a level unknown to others

      moses then, took passion in smashing skulls and obeying all the other legalisms.

      quote :
      ot so is My servant Moses; he is faithful throughout My house.
      8With him I speak mouth to mouth; in a vision and not in riddles, and he beholds the image of the Lord. So why were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses ?

      all these privileges.

      yet you guys threw the book in old section

      quote:

      My daughter also pointed out that Moses was chosen twice over. He was chosen by God, and he was chosen by the people. After hearing God speak, the people appointed Moses as the messenger who would bring to them God’s teaching: “When all the people witnessed the thunder and the lightning, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, they were afraid and trembled and stood at a distance, and said to Moses, ‘You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, or we will die” (Ex. 20:18-19). Therefore, God and the people agreed that Moses should be God’s prophet to them, granting Moses authority.

      end quote

      shameless lizzie, who has a hair cut like a bloke , said “barbaric and cruel ” to ot punishment laws.

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  19. Its the dudes choice let him be

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  20. Okay, this is a general answer to Intellect and edward.

    Nowhere have you shown that christians and jews are commanded to kill people just for losing their faith.

    The command to kill is given simply because to follow canaanite religions meant to do heinous things like child sex, human sacrifice, and sex-slave markets all exemplified by mindless repetitive praying, adoration of stones and mindless circumambulation of inert objects.

    As I’ve said, having sex with children, holding sex-slave markets, and human sacrifice are heinous religious practices that deserve the most severe punishments. It is not my fault that these practices remain a huge part of the religion of islam. DON’T get mad at me, I’m just telling the truth.

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  21. ““Let us go worship other gods,” whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, 8 you must not yield to or heed any such persons.”

    notice the words “whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other”

    so this could be referring to the peace loving gods as well. or gods who are in human form and want nothing but turning the other cheek.

    1. what does an israelitie who leaves his baby killing god for a peace loving god become?

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    • edward

      you must think we are as dumb as you.

      Cherry-picking verses doesn’t prove that you are not lying.

      The fact is that neither jews nor christians are called to kill people merely for apostatizing.

      Islam, on the other hand, has no excuse. The people living around the first muslims inlcuded both christians and jews, none of whom were practcing child sex and human sacrifice. Islam adopted these practices from the pagans and propagates these practices.

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    • ” The people living around the first muslims inlcuded both christians and jews, none of whom were practcing child sex and human sacrifice”

      christians have been practicing child rape since christianity began. it all starts with a god fondling a young virgin.

      jews were told to do everything what the polytheists ALLEGEDLY did to them , but even after doing such, they still continued to practice abdominal practices such that yhwh said they DID WORSE than the nations yhwh drove and murdered.

      i’ll ask again. when an israelitite drops yhwh for another peace loving god or a god who was unknown to the hebrews, what is the punishment?

      where is the proof that leaving yhwh for another god meant that the people would practice all the practices of the pagans? couldn’t they have replaced the practices with better ones?
      or created a second covenant a bit like the fristians today?

      “The fact is that neither jews nor christians are called to kill people merely for apostatizing.”

      quote:
      notice the words “whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other”

      1. do you agree that a jew leaving yhwh for a peace loving god would be fine ?

      and why wouldn’t this be “merely apostatising” ?

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  22. Graham

    You said;
    The fact is that neither jews nor christians are called to kill people merely for apostatizing.
    Islam, on the other hand, has no excuse. The people living around the first muslims inlcuded both christians and jews, none of whom were practcing child sex and human sacrifice. Islam adopted these practices from the pagans and propagates these practices.

    I say;
    quote: Jesus Christ of Nazareth
    Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    You are a pig worshiper i.e. worshiping a creature-man, that is why you do not think the above is a command by Jesus Christ of Nazareth to kill apostates.

    The Most child sex offenders recorded are Christians from their God coming out of an opening of a young woman. Jesus went and asked Abraham to have sex with his young made to give birth to an illegitimate child.

    Church Fathers are the worst offenders in child sex and Pope Benedict apologized on that and Pastor Jimmy Swaggart, Pastor Eddie Lee Long and man Christian pastors keep sleeping with children, married women including Christian King Donald Trump, Pastors with prostitutes following the example of Jesus Christ commanding Abraham to have sex with his maid and David and other prophets to sleep with their own daughters.

    Thanks.

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    • Graham

      You said;
      The command to kill is given simply because to follow canaanite religions meant to do heinous things like child sex, human sacrifice, and sex-slave markets all exemplified by mindless repetitive praying, adoration of stones and mindless circumambulation of inert objects.

      I say;
      Because you worship a man i.e. a creature Jesus Christ who visits toilet. Your brain is so intoxicated in that to let you not believe you are worshiping a creature like me, cow, pig etc. we are all creatures when we visit toilet and release ourselves from waste.

      What is the toilet of Jesus Christ to you? God of course. You worship shit(human excreta), crosses(wood, bronze, stones etc.), statues of virgin Mary and worship man and some Christians eat the flesh of Jesus Christ like vampire in this Haloween.

      This is how the God of Abraham destroyed your cult and idol worship of Jesus Christ.

      https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jesus+statue+smashed+by+lightening&view=detail&mid=77E233D6598FACDEE15F77E233D6598FACDEE15F&FORM=VIRE

      Thanks.

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  23. There is no human sacrifice in Islam. What an idiot charge to make.

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  24. Paul, didn’t you leave islam a while back then return? Why did you return?

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    • I had misunderstood an aspect of Islamic teaching. Once I had been informed of the correct position there was no longer any problem. All water under the bridge now.

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    • The convert experience is not the same for everyone, some accept everything without question, others are more judicious. I don’t think it is unusual for someone who has converted to Islam, to later have questions or even at some point doubt whether the initial decision to enter into Islam was the right one. The key is to remember that there is a learning curve and it is important to search for the right answer to any question or cause for doubt. It is important to find reliable sources of information about Islam as well as to have the support of Muslim friends (who actually attend the Masjid) and a good Imaam, or sheik, or knowledgeable Muslim to turn to for answers. I have learned that for every question, critique, argument or attack that is made upon Islam, there is a perfectly rational, intelligent, sensible, valid and acceptable answer. I am sure that this is what Paul W. has discovered as well.

      Islam is a lifelong learning process. Our Prophet Muhammad (sws) absolutely confident in the soundness of the Islamic message which may have been why he advised us to, “Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.”

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