Tawhid, Tawheed Is No Where To Be Found In The Quran Or Hadith?

An excellent post!

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It is often said by Muslims and non-Muslims that the doctrine of Trinity is nowhere to be found in the Bible. This fact is further supported also by some well respected Christian and non-Christian academics, that the word trinity nor the trinity formula (doctrine) is anywhere explicitly mentioned in the Bible. We have written some articles on this matter before, please click on the following pieces:

(1) – “Trinity: The Truth About Matthew 28:19 & 1 John 5:7

(2) – “Trinity: Examining Authenticity Of Matthew 28:19

(3) – “Dismantling The Trinitarian Perception Of John 1:1

(4) – “Jesus (pbuh): Nothing Divine about Him

(5) – “1 Timothy 3:16 Did God become manifest in flesh?

(6) – “Isaiah 9:6 Messiah God?

Christian trinitarians have for a long time been unable to explain consistently what the trinity is. If you were…

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  1. The word (Tawhid) is also mentioned in the long hadith of describing Hajj in Sahih Muslim.
    However, This what matters “Shaykh Dr. Shabir Ally noted beautifully, even if we don’t use the word Tawheed, Muslims can repeat what the Quran and Hadith corpus say, “God is One” or “There is no god but Allah” (La ilaha illallah: Q. 47:19, 37:35-36, and 47:19) “

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  2. I am not outright rejecting these hadiths but I am skeptical. They could be anachronistic using the term tawhid that may have been coined by Muslim theologians rather than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Allah knows best.

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    • Everyone believes that the prophet pbuh kept silent in all his life, and his companions were not reliable although Quran commanded the prophet pbuh to tell the deen, and Quran commanded us to follow the companions, and it commanded the companions to deliver the deen, of course he must be skeptical. It’s understood .

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  3. Of course, the idea that God is one is all over the Qur’an.

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  4. Abdullah,

    First of all the content of the hadith is not in the Qur’an. God talks of numerous times in the Qur’an that the good people will go to paradise and the evil people will go to hell.

    Among these numerous of verses, it does not indicate that a subset of people of hell (in this hadith, those who are monotheists) will go to paradise.

    There are a few verses that suggest (although do not prove) that hell may not be eternal (such as 11[106-108]) but they do not speak of the verse applying to only a subset.

    I am not saying that the hadith is false but since it is ascribing a concept to the Prophet that is not in the Qur’an, I feel that I will be harming my soul if I accept it blindly.

    I do not believe the Prophet kept silent all his life. He must have spoken on many times and it is reasonable to assume that an oral tradition was generated based on some of the religious statement he (pbuh) said.

    1. Where does the Qur’an command the Prophet to “tell the deen?” Of course, the Prophet was a teacher and we should strive to learn from his attributed practices using our reason and critical thinking. But where does the Qur’an command the Prophet to compile and transmit all his sayings to future generations?

    I am not saying his companions were not reliable.

    2. Did one of companion who is alive and come and tell you this hadith of this post?

    Let us cut to the chase and go to one of the crux of the matter….

    3. What is the percentage that you think the memory of a narrator’s narration is correct? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    4. What is the percentage that you think the narrator’s narration is free from tadlis (interpolating the name of a trustworthy transmitter or not mentioning the name or names of the discreditable transmitters) ( 99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    5. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not mention the narration thinking that the ends justifies the means (even though the content was not said by the Prophet, the Prophet would have approved it, it would do a public good, or it would correct another false narration) (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    6. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not act out of some sectarian or other self serving or group serving interest?

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  5. Dear any reader, please note that I only mentioned that a few verses such as 11 (106-108) may suggest that Hell is not eternal.

    However, please note that there are also some if not many verses in the Qur’an that suggest that Hell is indeed eternal.

    There is no contradiction. The type of language employed does not necessarily lead to an absolute understanding among all readers.

    Thus, we must not assume that hell is not eternal. Only God knows the reality.

    For if we assume that Hell is not eternal, it can lead to complacency, and can lead non-Muslims to not take the Qur’an seriously or to take agnostics or polytheists not to take God, the Absolute seriously, and if Hell is eternal as many verses indicate, then we will be making a sin of ignorant assumption on this most weighty of matter that can cost us our eternity of bliss and replace it with never ending pain.

    Let us strive to be as good as much as we can strive and let us avoid all potential punishment.

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  6. Okay Christians, time to grab your goalpost moving equipment!

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    • the strange thing is right before his departure from islam he starts praising the voice of a jewish kid.

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    • Abu Talhah

      “Okay Christians, time to grab your goalpost moving equipment!”

      No we don’t take this discover the truth guy seriously – he made an airtight case that Isaac’s wife – rebecca – was born simultaneously as her father, bethuel.

      No need to move the goalposts – you guys keep scoring own goals.

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    • //No we don’t take this discover the truth guy seriously – he made an airtight case that Isaac’s wife – rebecca – was born simultaneously as her father, bethuel.//

      No, he make a strong case that people who really know the hebrew scriptures ie, the big names of hebrew scholarly tradition like Rashi, that Isaac married rebecca three years after she was born.

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  7. Abu Talhah, Edward,

    What are you talking about? Are you on the correct thread?

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  8. Abu Talhah,

    I see what you are saying….I am assuming you are showing how the article above responds well to the false claim by Christians of thinking they can find trinity in the New Testament.

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  9. Salam Abdullah,

    I believe the Qur’an is verbatim the revelation from God Almighty.

    I also believe that unfortunately many Muslims have raised the well intentioned endeavor by many medieval men to be almost equal to the Qur’an and that has been revealed especially in our day of rigorous critical inquiry to be a serious error. (Please note that I do not at all advocate discarding the hadiths in total which would be another very serious error).

    I forgot to ask you about the probability of misunderstanding of a transmitter from his source.

    I ask you again these critically important 5 questions…Only 5 simple responses are needed….

    1. What is the percentage that a given narrator will not misunderstand what he heard his source had said? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    2. What is the percentage that you think the memory of a narrator’s narration is correct? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    3. What is the percentage that you think the narrator’s narration is free from tadlis (interpolating the name of a trustworthy transmitter or not mentioning the name or names of the discreditable transmitters) ( 99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    4. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not mention the narration thinking that the ends justifies the means (even though the content was not said by the Prophet, the Prophet would have approved it, it would do a public good, or it would correct another false narration) (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    5. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not act out of some sectarian or other self serving or group serving interest? (I realize that this question will not apply to many hadiths)

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    • Salam
      Again, I will not give any consideration after you have accused Abu hurrah ( ra) without evidence.
      Also, I think you’re in the wrong place. This blog and as you see has multiple tracks engaging with other faiths. I cannot see your doubt and the skpetic attitude about hadith would have any beneficial feedback here.
      You may ask in the right place.
      May Allah guide us to his light.

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  10. Abdullah,

    Somehow, from your previous responses and attitude, I did not have much expectation you will answer these critically relevant questions.

    They are very relevant questions for this is a blog on religion and on the Abrahamic Faiths.

    When hadiths are mentioned on this blog, it is very beneficial to realize that hadiths are not a protected source from God. The Qur’an, in contrast, has been told to be promised that it will be protected.

    God tells us in Surah 2 (282) to doubt claims (including consequential claims such as hadith) which do not have the requirements needed.

    I gave plenty of evidence about being concerned about Abu Hurayra and there is plenty of more evidence that I did not have time to mention. Of course only God knows best but there is plenty to be concerned about.

    Yes, may Allah guide us all to His light. Wasalam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

    Is there anyone else who would like to answer these questions?

    Only 5 simple responses are needed….

    1. What is the percentage that a given narrator will not misunderstand what he heard his source had said? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    2. What is the percentage that you think the memory of a narrator’s narration is correct? (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    3. What is the percentage that you think the narrator’s narration is free from tadlis (interpolating the name of a trustworthy transmitter or not mentioning the name or names of the discreditable transmitters) ( 99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    4. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not mention the narration thinking that the ends justifies the means (even though the content was not said by the Prophet, the Prophet would have approved it, it would do a public good, or it would correct another false narration) (99%, 95%, 90%, x%)

    5. What is the percentage that you think the narrator did not act out of some sectarian or other self serving or group serving interest? (I realize that this question will not apply to many hadiths)

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  11. Dear Christian apologists trying to attack Islam, I ask you to be fair and not treat hadith as if they are revelations from God….the Qur’an identifies only itself as the direct revelation from God and the Qur’an indicates in 2(282) that all claims such as almost all the entire hadith corpus fails the requirements to be certain like the Qur’an.

    Interestingly the Prophet never commissioned any compilation of his sayings when he could have.

    I say all this for the following.

    If a very conservative Muslim gave 99% for each of the questions above then the total margin of error for a narrator would be 5%.

    Usually there are 6 or 7 narrators for hadith….I think there are some with 5 narrators also.

    Anyhow, let us use 6.

    Then we have to use the multiplicative probability rule which may appear quite simple to us but the medieval hadith scholars could not fully appreciate it since this rule was not discovered or applied until much later.

    We have to do 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 = 73.5%

    This is using the very conservative estimate of only 1% error which I assume many would say is a quite
    an underestimate.

    But even if we accept this very conservative estimate…we are still not done since we have to multiply this with the probability that the narrators have been all declared reliable. Actually since the above example is only with reliable narrators per the medieval scholars.

    However, when we open up the biographical books, there is much disagreement as to who is honest and who is not fully reliable.

    According to Professor Scott Lucas, (a convert to Islam) a world expert on hadith in his landmark book, “Constructive Critics, Hadith Literature, and the Articulation of Sunni Islam: The Legacy of the Generation of Ibn Sa’ad, Ibn Maeen and Ibn Hanbal:

    “I mentioned earlier that Ibn Ma’in graded 203 of Ibn Sa’ad’s 1105 evaluated men, and it is striking that there is agreement between the two critics in 177 cases (87%) and disagreement in only 26 of them (13%)…A comparison of the grades of Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal yields a net sample of 266 hadith-transmitters. Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal agreed over the quality of 227 of these men (85%) and disagreed over only 39 of them (15%)…”

    There were many hadith biographical critics but let us take these famous 3…I assume the agreement between all three of them would be significantly less than 85%…..let’s take 80%

    Then 0.735 (from above) x 0.80 = 0.59 or about 59%

    On top of this it is known as indicated in Professor Jonathan Brown’s book on Introduction to Hadith that the hadith scholars applied the best they could on legal hadith but they did not apply the full scrutiny that they could have on other hadith genres such as on the endtimes and on at least a few other genres…

    Thus, the reliability using the medieval conservative criteria may be about 50%…not very high…and again it may be lower since I think 99% for the questions above is quite conservative.

    So we are at roughly flipping a coin using conservative criteria and this does not even include issues in terms of the applicability of hadith to a different time and place such as ours.

    I thus ask my Christian brothers to be fair and not to treat the hadith as if it is like the Qur’an.

    And I ask my Muslim brothers who treat hadith as if they are like revelations from God that we need to be mindful of the verse:

    “So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah ,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”

    I am not at all applying this to Muslims since they “did not write” these hadith but some of them unfortunately treat them like they are almost close to the Qur’an.

    This is due to all types of historical factors which I don’t have time to go in but since we have accumulated much critical research and thought in the issues with oral transmission, with religious evolution of paradigms, with probability science, etc…we need to adjust our approach to the hadith to some degree…of course not to dismiss the hadith which would be just as bad.

    Certainly, some sahih hadith, at least in its gist message, are from the Prophet.

    Regardless, let us also remember that the Prophet’s lament on judgement day will be

    “And the Messenger has said, ‘O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur’an as [a thing] abandoned.’ ”

    (Surah 25, verse 30) The Prophet’s lament will not be on us leaving Bukhari’s compilation or any other hadith compilation but the Qur’an.

    My Christian brothers, the Qur’an defines itself as The Criteria, as preserved by God, and as a miracle that is inimitable and proof of Islam. Please read it but it can only open up to you if you keep an open mind and an open heart.

    I ask my brother in Islam for us to not let sectarian allegiance override the trust that God gave us with our intelligence and critical reasoning…let us use our mind to move ever closer to the truth…to the light of God.

    I may have made arithmetic errors above or errors in reasoning…I ask my Muslim brothers to look carefully and correct any errors I have done.

    I hope I did not offend anyone. I want to only contribute for what is good.

    Of course, only God knows best.

    As-salam alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

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  12. No objection to the above analysis?

    That is reassuring but please correct me if I am wrong in anyway.

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  13. Several problems:
    1. The original article leaves out one of oldest and the most important proofs for Matthew 28:19 – the Didache 7 –
    Most scholars agree that this is perhaps the oldest non-canonical writing of Christians of the late first century to early second century. Some scholars date it between 70 AD and 120 AD. This makes it the oldest, if it was written before 1 Clement in 96 AD.

    7 Now about baptism: this is how to baptize. Give public instruction on all these points, and then “baptize” in running water, “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

    see:
    https://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.viii.i.iii.html

    2. Just because Eusebius left out the phrase “in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”, does not mean he didn’t about it nor believe in it. In his other work, he affirms the eternal Word Jesus and His pre-existence. The Didache (70-120 AD) is much older than Eusebius. (300s)

    ” Lastly, he who is in all, before, and after all, his only begotten, pre-existent Word, the great High Priest of the mighty God, elder than all time and every age, devoted to his Father’s glory, first and alone makes intercession with him for the salvation of mankind. Supreme and pre-eminent Ruler of the universe, he shares the glory of his Father’s kingdom: for he is that Light, which, transcendent above the universe, encircles the Father’s Person, interposing and dividing between the eternal and uncreated Essence and all derived existence: that Light which, streaming from on high, proceeds from that Deity who knows not origin or end, and illumines the super-celestial regions, and all that heaven itself contains, with the radiance of wisdom bright beyond the splendor of the sun. This is he who holds a supreme dominion over this whole world,3502 who is over and in all things, and pervades all things visible and invisible; the Word of God. From whom and by whom our divinely favored emperor, receiving, as it were a transcript of the Divine sovereignty, directs, in imitation of God himself, the administration of this world’s affairs.” (The Oration of Eusebius in Praise of Emperor Constantine, 1:6)

    3. There are no Greek manuscript textual variants on Matthew 28:19 that call into doubt on the phrase “in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit”. All the Greek manuscripts testify of this, so the whole argument that this was a later interpolation is just false.

    4. Follower of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wrote:

    Dear Christian apologists trying to attack Islam, I ask you to be fair and not treat hadith as if they are revelations from God….the Qur’an identifies only itself as the direct revelation from God and the Qur’an indicates in 2(282) that all claims such as almost all the entire hadith corpus fails the requirements to be certain like the Qur’an.

    “attack Islam” – I get that you “feel” that attack; but these are valid criticisms, just as Paul Williams, Shabir Ally, and other Muslims here criticize the Bible and Christianity, using liberal scholarship, etc. The biggest advantage in the freedom of the west is the freedom to peacefully criticize, which most areas in the Muslim world does not allow. Islam as a whole needs to grow up and be able to accept valid criticism without sinful anger and violence and rioting, etc.

    The problem is that no one can understand the Qur’an without the Hadith and other Sunna embedded in Sira and Tarikh and Tafsirs, etc. because, most of the time, the Qur’an does not give the historical context (the Asbaab ol Nozul
    اسباب النزول = literally, “the reasons or occasion for the coming down/revelation”.)

    The “Flying Pir” also gave a very detailed explanation of Surah 9:29 (in another article), with all sorts of references to other historical background, the Asbaab ol Nuzul, etc. – the battle of Tabuk (630 AD), the battle of Mu’tah (629 AD), etc. but totally avoided the Qur’anic context of the verse – not one comment on Surah 9:28 (if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you” – seems to indicate the later conditions of no longer getting revenue from the Kaaba pilgrimages from the pagans because they were all expelled from Hijaz/Arabia, and along with the Hadith that says “no 2 religions will be allowed in the Hijaz / Arabia – and Ibn Kathir’s commentary, shows that the motivation for attacking the Byzantine Empire was to get the Jiziye money from the people of the book outside of Arabia proper and conquer them. nor any comment on 9:30 – nor what the Qur’an actually says in verse 29 is the reason for fighting the people of the book – “who believe not in Allah nor forbid what Allah forbids”. Verse 29 does not say, “fight the people of the book only in the area of Tabuk and no more”; nor does it say, “only fight them because they are oppressing the Monophysites in Egypt and Levant”, etc. It says fight them because of their beliefs and practices, not because they were thought to be getting ready to attack (before the Tabuk expedition), etc. Also, the battle of Mu’tah had already happened the year before (629 AD), but the Tabuk expedition was in 630 AD. Why didn’t the Qur’an mention that as the reason? The omission is quite glaring and the content of verses 28, 29, and 30 contradict the whole article that relies on extra Qur’anic material. In that article, he put Hadith first and gave no comment on the Qur’anic context and verses around it.

    Sometimes you guys put Hadith first as more important, and sometimes the Qur’an, it seems, in seeking to justify difficult passages.

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  14. My question was not on whether hadith can be ever useful but rather on my computation of the probability of error using conservative traditionalists criteria.

    If anyone sees any error on the computation, I would like to correct my misunderstanding.

    Again….below are my computations….

    Dear Christian apologists trying to attack Islam, I ask you to be fair and not treat hadith as if they are revelations from God….the Qur’an identifies only itself as the direct revelation from God and the Qur’an indicates in 2(282) that all claims such as almost all the entire hadith corpus fails the requirements to be certain like the Qur’an.

    Interestingly the Prophet never commissioned any compilation of his sayings when he could have.

    I say all this for the following.

    If a very conservative Muslim gave 99% for each of the questions above then the total margin of error for a narrator would be 5%.

    Usually there are 6 or 7 narrators for hadith….I think there are some with 5 narrators also.

    Anyhow, let us use 6.

    Then we have to use the multiplicative probability rule which may appear quite simple to us but the medieval hadith scholars could not fully appreciate it since this rule was not discovered or applied until much later.

    We have to do 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 x 0.95 = 73.5%

    This is using the very conservative estimate of only 1% error which I assume many would say is a quite
    an underestimate.

    But even if we accept this very conservative estimate…we are still not done since we have to multiply this with the probability that the narrators have been all declared reliable. Actually since the above example is only with reliable narrators per the medieval scholars.

    However, when we open up the biographical books, there is much disagreement as to who is honest and who is not fully reliable.

    According to Professor Scott Lucas, (a convert to Islam) a world expert on hadith in his landmark book, “Constructive Critics, Hadith Literature, and the Articulation of Sunni Islam: The Legacy of the Generation of Ibn Sa’ad, Ibn Maeen and Ibn Hanbal:

    “I mentioned earlier that Ibn Ma’in graded 203 of Ibn Sa’ad’s 1105 evaluated men, and it is striking that there is agreement between the two critics in 177 cases (87%) and disagreement in only 26 of them (13%)…A comparison of the grades of Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal yields a net sample of 266 hadith-transmitters. Ibn Sa’ad and Ibn Hanbal agreed over the quality of 227 of these men (85%) and disagreed over only 39 of them (15%)…”

    There were many hadith biographical critics but let us take these famous 3…I assume the agreement between all three of them would be significantly less than 85%…..let’s take 80%

    Then 0.735 (from above) x 0.80 = 0.59 or about 59%

    On top of this it is known as indicated in Professor Jonathan Brown’s book on Introduction to Hadith that the hadith scholars applied the best they could on legal hadith but they did not apply the full scrutiny that they could have on other hadith genres such as on the endtimes and on at least a few other genres…

    Thus, the reliability using the medieval conservative criteria may be about 50%…not very high…and again it may be lower since I think 99% for the questions above is quite conservative.

    So we are at roughly flipping a coin using conservative criteria and this does not even include issues in terms of the applicability of hadith to a different time and place such as ours.

    I thus ask my Christian brothers to be fair and not to treat the hadith as if it is like the Qur’an.

    And I ask my Muslim brothers who treat hadith as if they are like revelations from God that we need to be mindful of the verse:

    “So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah ,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.”

    I am not at all applying this to Muslims since they “did not write” these hadith but some of them unfortunately treat them like they are almost close to the Qur’an.

    This is due to all types of historical factors which I don’t have time to go in but since we have accumulated much critical research and thought in the issues with oral transmission, with religious evolution of paradigms, with probability science, etc…we need to adjust our approach to the hadith to some degree…of course not to dismiss the hadith which would be just as bad.

    Certainly, some sahih hadith, at least in its gist message, are from the Prophet.

    Regardless, let us also remember that the Prophet’s lament on judgement day will be

    “And the Messenger has said, ‘O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur’an as [a thing] abandoned.’ ”

    (Surah 25, verse 30) The Prophet’s lament will not be on us leaving Bukhari’s compilation or any other hadith compilation but the Qur’an.

    My Christian brothers, the Qur’an defines itself as The Criteria, as preserved by God, and as a miracle that is inimitable and proof of Islam. Please read it but it can only open up to you if you keep an open mind and an open heart.

    I ask my brother in Islam for us to not let sectarian allegiance override the trust that God gave us with our intelligence and critical reasoning…let us use our mind to move ever closer to the truth…to the light of God.

    I may have made arithmetic errors above or errors in reasoning…I ask my Muslim brothers to look carefully and correct any errors I have done.

    I hope I did not offend anyone. I want to only contribute for what is good.

    Of course, only God knows best.

    As-salam alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

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