Evangelical Pastor John Piper doubts Muslims having Jesus dreams

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  1. I’ve seen both nabeel and david wood in my dreams, am i supposed to convert to Christianity now?

    David has attempted to kill me in both the dreams btw.

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  2. Have to say Gary Miller (a former mussionairy) and Ahmed Deedat really aided the muslim world in countering missionaries and exposing their deceptions to convert less informed muslims.

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  3. Ha ha of course, this puts him out of his job.

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  4. If you listen carefully to Pastor John Piper, what he is saying is that he doubts that people get a dream of Jesus coming to them and explaining the whole gospel in the dream, and thus getting rid of the need for evangelism and missions.

    He does not doubt that are Cornelius type dreams (as in Acts 10-11) where in the dream it says something like a man coming to you and he will give you a book, and thereby after reading the book and understanding the message, you will be saved. (if you understand, repent, and believe)

    Romans 10:13-15
    “how shall they hear without a preacher? and how shall they preach unless they are sent?”

    Nabeel’s dreams in his book, “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus” are not like the ones that Piper doubts; rather they were full of symbols of confirming what he was reading and studying as he studied the Bible and compared Christianity to Islam and read more of the Ahadiths that he had not been exposed to before. David Wood challenged him to read the Injeel and the Bible, and the dreams were confirming that.

    Nabeel’s recent dream that he reported on in a Vlog and he gave an update on his cancer, etc. – that dream is not about getting the gospel in his dream; since he is already a Christian; rather Jesus came to him and gave him guidance, but he could not remember any of the details except for “sponge-bath” and “baby” ( ? I think). When he took to mean to give his baby daughter a sponge bath. Her fear of the sponge seemed to be some kind of warning, and Nabeel gave a couple of options on interpretations. He seems sincere and wants to be healed, but he constantly glorifies God in this trial and suffering and has a good attitude.

    This story of Khalil seems very credible, because he studied and compared the Bible to the Qur’an and came to faith in Christ based on reading and studying and understanding the books; the dreams were just confirmations of what he was reading and understanding.

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  5. 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house, and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and have Simon, who is also called Peter, brought here;
    14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

    Acts 11:13-14

    The dream that Cornelius had was preparation for hearing the gospel message, the dream did not have the content of the message of the gospel.

    True dreams either prepare people for the gospel or confirm the gospel after a person hears and understands.

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    • “symbols of confirming what he was reading and studying as he studied the Bible and compared Christianity to Islam”
      Nabeel was a qadiani, and he has never been a muslim.
      Their beliefs are dramatically different. Why do you still insist that he was a muslim? He is a liar, and anyone promotes his lies, he is a lir like him.
      Nabeel complained about Jihad although he didn’t get it right, yet the concept of Jihad as whole is not found in that cult.
      BTW, the members of that cult are obsessed with dreams! They label any incident as a miracle which is very understood since that what their liar man used to do. Read about the red ink of the Mirza which transformed from jus spots of juice to be a signature of Yalesh ( name of their god).
      What makes the thing be more ridiculous is that they don’t believe that Jesus had any miracles.

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    • I agree, Nabeel has been economical with the truth on many occasions. But it helps his career and Christians don’t seem to mind.

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    • I wouldn’t take these conversations as actual historical reportage

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  6. A Qadiani or Ahmadiyeh, is not considered a true form of Islam; yes, I understand that. Nabeel did explain that in some of his videos, and he pointed out that aside from their belief that Ahmad Mirza is the manifestation of the second coming of the Messiah (and Mehdi ?) and in a sense, the final prophet; he said their doctrine of most everything else is the same – especially the nature of who Allah is, oneness, Towhid, etc. – is the same.

    I agree that he should repeat that every time he speaks and explain that he was an Ahmadiyeh, which is not considered true Islam by Sunnis or Shiites.

    He explained it sometimes, but not enough. Dr. White was correct in his exhortation to him to explain it more.

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    • I made a mistake just going by memory. The founder of the Ahmadiyeh sect is:
      Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ( Not Ahmad Mirza)

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    • There are other very significant differences between that sect and Muslims.

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    • “he said their doctrine of most everything else is the same”

      Really?
      So the heaven and earth are with Mirza as they are with God?

      This’s the eye of shirk.
      Tell Nabeel Quran says this

      Moreover, I told you that they don’t believe in Jesus’ miracles which means they deny Quran itself.
      Also, they do believe in a prophet after the prophet pbuh which is a belief contradicts Quran and Sunnah clearly, and it’s a blasphemy since it involves rejecting verdict of Allah. There are many beliefs in that cult which makes them out of Islam, yet I think this is enough to know what liars Nabeel & David are.
      Finally, Nabeel admitted that, yet because he’s a foxy man, he said it’s “renewed emphasis” while that’s qadiani’s “scripture” itself.

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    • “… he said their doctrine of most everything else is the same”

      The Christology is not the same. He went from one false Jesus to another.

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    • Ken,
      Can you ask Nabeel about how Mirza has the earth and heaven with God as you see in qadiani scripture?
      Have you seen the pics ?

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  7. “he said their doctrine of most everything else is the same”
    Really?
    So the heaven and earth are with Mirza as they are with God?

    This’s the eye of shirk.
    Tell Nabeel Quran says this

    Moreover, I told you that they don’t believe in Jesus’ miracles which means they deny Quran itself.
    Also, they do believe in a prophet after the prophet pbuh which is a belief contradicts Quran and Sunnah clearly, and it’s a blasphemy since it involves rejecting verdict of Allah. There are many beliefs in that cult which makes them out of Islam, yet I think this is enough to know what liars Nabeel & David are.
    Finally, Nabeel admitted that, yet because he’s a foxy man, he said it’s “renewed emphasis” while that’s qadiani’s “scripture” itself.

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    • what is MGA ?

      Maybe because of David Wood’s challenge, Nabeel stuck to just the Qur’an and the Sunni Ahadith; it is possible he did not know much about those other writings.

      Lots of Muslims don’t know about the details of their books and religion (as do many in the west who go to church, but they don’t study the Bible or church history, etc.) – It is possible he grew up in that sect and didn’t know much about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s books.

      Many people start studying their own faith more in thief University and college years. Seems David Wood’s challenge drove him to more of the Sunni sources.

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    • MGA= Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.
      The final authority for that cult is that “prophet’ and his writings, and Nabeel knows this very well.
      Quran and hadiths lead you to the truth not the opposite unless you’re with a devil man.
      Nabeel has been lying all the time. I mean, David was his friend before he converted from that cult even, so what should we expect!

      BTW, I’ve no problem that you’re ok with someone deceiving you! Most christians don’t mind that with Nabeel as I watch his videos. Christians in a general sense go with emotions more than evidences .The point is to stop telling that he is an ex muslim.

      Finally, you may read The Emperor’s New Clothes.

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  8. I couldn’t resist not to post this video.
    In this interview with Nabeel which is done after he has been diagnosed with cancer, Nabeel lied a big one when he was talking about his experience with christians before he converted at ( 14:50′ ).

    I challenge Nabeel to find a qadiani who believes that Jesus is gonna come back at the end of time. 🙂

    I think I don’t need to post the video in which Nabeel was telling his audience that if he had been still a muslim, he would’ve gone to Syria to fight with ISIS.

    By Allah, if he were an ex muslim, I would have no problem to say that he is an ex muslim, but he is NOT.

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