Check out this devastating refutation of Jonathan McLatchie’s mistakes by Dale Tuggy

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Categories: Bible, Biblical scholarship, Christian extremism, Christianity, Daw'ah, Debates, Missionaries, Speakers Corner, Utterly idiotic

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  1. “So then, for the trinitarian, Jesus is not God (not numerically identical to God); the relation between Jesus and God is going to have to be something less than that. Most evangelical apologists simply choose not to think about this difficulty.”

    Yes! Their apologists do ignore this.

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  2. A few days ago i responded to jonathan, i still await for his reply.

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  3. John 1 v 1 both affirms and denys the numerical identity of the Word with God. Both are always true. Neither can be affirmed to the exclusion of the other. This is the fundamental flaw of unitarianism in whichever form it is affirmed. The law of non-contradiction does not hold with respect to the being of God.

    “The Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”

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  4. “Jesus is not the Trinity, while God just is the Trinity.”

    But how are you defining the trinity here? In terms of person or being? It seems you craftily switch from one to the other in same sentence.

    Jesus ( as a person ) is not the Trinity, while God ( as a being ) is the Trinity.

    Seems to be a sleight of hand at work here.

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    • Madnanna

      Do you believe Jesus is Yahweh?

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    • Yes, they are using the fallacy of equivocation madmanna

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    • Paulus

      Do you believe Jesus is Yahweh?

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    • Paul, do you believe Allah is Yahweh?

      Why not define your terms properly as expressed by madmanna and Samuel? Rather than always just trying to “trap” people with illogical semantics?

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    • It is not a trap (lol) to ask if you believe Jesus is Yahweh. Jonathan said “yes” without any hesitation.

      I note you failed to answer this question.

      What are you afraid of Paulus?

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    • Paul asked…

      “Do you believe Jesus is Yahweh?”

      Yes Paul that is what the bible teaches…

      “By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens.” Gen 19:23 – 24

      And Jesus own brother…

      “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[d] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” Jude 5-7

      BTW Paul in the video that Yahya posted you said that Peter said that Jesus was a MAN sent by God,which we Christians believe. Do you also believe Peter when He said that Jesus was the AUTHOR of life?

      “But you rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a man who was a murderer be released to you. 15 You killed the Originator of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this fact we are witnesses!” Acts 3:14-15

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    • If you agree with Peter who said “Jesus was a MAN sent by God”, you are not a Trinitarian!

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    • Paul I absolutely believe Peter said that Jesus was a man sent by God, thats why I am a trinitarian. But you seem to believe Peter so do you also believe Peter when he said “you killed the Originator of Life”?

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    • ‘I absolutely believe Peter said that Jesus was a man sent by God thats why I am a trinitarian

      Then you are a VERY confused Christian. Watch the video again and THINK!

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    • LOL notice how Paul will not answer the question.

      Paul pay attention that verse only makes sense if God is a Triune being. Who else can send God but GOD? Or do Muslim really believe that Mohamed can send allah?

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    • ‘Who else can send God but GOD?’ That makes two gods. You are a polytheist!

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    • ALM wrote:

      ==Paul pay attention that verse only makes sense if God is a Triune being. Who else can send God but GOD?==

      John 1:1 only makes sense if the term God (theos) is used in two distinct senses.

      Paul said:

      ==That makes two gods. You are a polytheist!==

      Not if the “the God” (ton theon) of John 1:1 has reference to God the Father only (which it does), and the anarthrous “God” (theos)—a predicate nominative—is adjectival (which it is).

      Grace and peace,

      David

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    • Paul, you seem to let all logic fly out the window when you try and refute the truth.

      If you believe that Allah is eternal and that the Koran is eternal, then by your own logic you believe in two eternals. That’s how dumb and childish your “arguments” are these days.

      You’ve lost the battle my friend…

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    • No that makes ONE God, who is three persons silly

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    • “No that makes ONE God, who is three persons silly”

      ONE God who is three Who’s. That’s silly.

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    • Burhan wrote…

      “ONE God who is three Who’s. That’s silly.”

      My response: Why is that silly? Why is the belief in the Unique GOD who is nothing like creation being “One What and Three Who’s” why is that silly?

      Please explain

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    • ALM

      Thinking matters.

      ONE “Who” is not not ONE “What”.

      If you believe GOD is “One What and Three Who’s”, the belief in the Unique GOD WHO is …
      is wrong.

      You believe in the Unique God which or that is three Who’s.

      How many “Who’s” is your God?

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    • Burhan wrote…

      “If you believe GOD is “One What and Three Who’s”, the belief in the Unique GOD WHO is …
      is wrong.

      You believe in the Unique God which or that is three Who’s.”

      My response: “If you believe GOD is “One What and Three Who’s”, the belief in the Unique GOD WHO is …
      is wrong.

      You believe in the Unique God which or that is three Who’s.”

      My response: What? Trying to decipher what your saying. I say God is UNIQUE in that he is ONE What and Three Who’s. You seem to imply that this God is not Unique since he is One What and Three Who’s? But do tell me do you know anything that is One What and Three Whos?

      If not then the Triune God is Unique lol.

      Paul wrote..

      Busted

      My Response. Please explain how so

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    • Thick as a brick. Humanity. One Human nature/essence in 7 billion persons.

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    • Burhan wrote…

      “Thick as a brick. Humanity. One Human nature/essence in 7 billion persons.”

      My response: WOW let me see if I understand you correctly.
      Since I am one Human being nature/essence in 7 billion persons that equates to the Unieque God that is One Being who is three persons. Is that correct?

      If so then you missed the boat.

      I am one Human being who is ONE person, I am not 7 Billion persons lol.

      Wow you are THICK

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    • OMG

      last try

      You are saying that God is one “What” WHO ??? is three who’s.

      How many Who’s is you God?

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    • Burhan wrote…

      “How many Who’s is you God?”

      My response: Are you ok? You feeling well? I only ask because I have answered that question almost half a dozen times now. So don’t know why you keep repeating the same question.

      So tell me did I understand you correctly?

      Are you saying that the Triune God is not a Unique being, One God who is three persons, because human beings are ONE being who are only ONE person?

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    • Burhan must have taken his meds and went and laid down.
      So Paul maybe you can explain.

      How is the Triune God, which is One Being and three persons not unique?

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    • Of course it is unique.

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    • Looks like Paul took his meds and took a nap too. Let me know when you guys wake up

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    • I count 4 Who’s.

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    • Burhan I can’t help you if you don’t know how to count. Must have studied in a Madrasa. Go to a real western school and learn how to count correctly and then get back to me.

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  5. > Jesus is not the Trinity, while God is the Trinity

    I agree with madmanna. Paul has not defined the Trinity accurately. My understanding is that the one divine nature/essence is share equally by three distinct persons.

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  6. LOL Wow an Anti Trinitarian apostate lol. To funny

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  7. Trinitarians are being taken to task by fellow Caucasian Western Christian Bible believing Philosophers and Scholars. They are being forced on the defensive. Muslims are enabling this Unitarian Storm, by spearheading the attack. There is no way the Trinity can survive this simultaneous assault from all sides by all forces, including Secular Scholarship and Moderate/Liberal Christianity Islam Judaism Atheism and Unitarian Christian Theology. Shamoun and David Woods days are numbered, seriously numbered. The Muslims need to maintain and sustain this unprecendent intellectual effort, without being distracted or losing steam. I applaud Paul Williams, D G Dunn, Yahya Snow, Ijaz Ahmed, Ibn Anwar, Eric Kassim, Larry Hurtado ,Bart Ehrman, Dale Tuggy and Anthony Buzzard for annihilating the Trinity, let us hope they increase their efforts.

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    • ==I applaud Paul Williams, D G Dunn, Yahya Snow, Ijaz Ahmed, Ibn Anwar, Eric Kassim, Larry Hurtado ,Bart Ehrman, Dale Tuggy and Anthony Buzzard for annihilating the Trinity, let us hope they increase their efforts.==

      Two important points: first, Larry Hurtado is a Trinitarian; second, Trinitarianism is expressed in a number of competing forms. The gentlemen mentioned above have not successfully dealt an “annihilating” blow to all of the forms.

      Grace and peace,

      David

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    • Trinitarian evolution. Survival of the fittest.

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  8. This is excellent. A welcomed, educated and academic response. In the meanwhile, we get this from “Apologetics” “Academy”…

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  9. With such a powerful refutation by a prominent scholar I anticipates McLatchie’ shahada is imminent…

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  10. Isn’t this the subject which James wants to debate Bart Ehrman about ?

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  11. “I count 4 Who’s.”

    As trinitarians under the new covenant we have a spiritual relation to 3 persons. If there is another person who is it and with whom does it have communion at this moment in time? Anyone advise?

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  12. :”Madnanna

    Do you believe Jesus is Yahweh?”

    Yes I do.

    Food for thought:

    YB, do you believe that the Father is Yahweh?

    If so where does the Father identify himself with Yahweh using his own name?

    Just a question I would like a unitarian to answer.

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  13. I’m not seeing what is so devastating about this rebuttal – the argument seems to be that there have been much dialogue about the nature of god, therefore, the trinity is false!!!!

    You guys are so gullible.

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  14. Paul I’m sorry I missed your response to me as I was too busy teaching Burhan how to count properly, an endeavor I have long abandoned now.

    But you wrote in response to my question on how the Triune God is not unique.

    “Of course it is unique.”

    So you admit that the Triune God is unique yet you and your fellow co coreligionists mock the Unique God?

    Why is that?

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  15. “collective now”

    obviously meant “collective noun”

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