Westernised Christians may find these quotes from Church Fathers and Reformers difficult to listen to. Bible Believing Christians may not find them difficult at all.
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Yahya, Simply Seerah,
Good job on the video, keep up the good work!!!
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Not really. We expect people to be people of their time. I guess we just don’t believe these people are a role model in all things for all times. That is why you Muslims feel the need to do these types of videos in your attempts to justify Muhammad’s hideous morals which you believe are binding for all time.
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Paulus,
What do you believe is hideous?
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Marrying a 6 year old girl is pretty high on the list.
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LOL, Lassie! The only problem is that the views of your church fathers were not simply due to “their time”. Their views were based on the Bible. You see, Lassie, the Bible demeans women as the cause of all of mankind’s troubles. For example, Tertullian had this little nugget:
“In pain shall you bring forth children, woman, and you shall turn to your husband and he shall rule over you. And do you not know that you are Eve? God’s sentence hangs still over all your sex and His punishment weighs down upon you. You are the devil’s gateway; you are she who first violated the forbidden tree and broke the law of God. It was you who coaxed your way around him whom the devil had not the force to attack. With what ease you shattered that image of God: Man! Because of the death you merited, even the Son of God had to die… Woman, you are the gate to hell.”
Now where do you suppose he got all this from? 😉
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Lassie barked:
“Marrying a 6 year old girl is pretty high on the list.”
LOL!! I wonder how old the mother of your savior was when she married Joseph? And how old were the little girls in Numbers 31 that your mangod decided to give to his loyal soldiers?
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Attacking families sleeping in their beds, so-called Night Raids.
In general attacking groups of people who have done you no harm.
Committing adultery with your daughter-in-law.
Assassinating and \ or attacking people who disagree with you and publicly express that disbelief.
Based on your anachronistic view of the OT using blasphemy and apostasy laws to persecute people who wish to live out a different religion.
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Erasmus, are you really that stupid? Wait, scratch that. You’re a Christian apologist who makes excuses for the abhorrent verses in your Bible and then hypocritically attacks Islam. I guess you are that stupid. It’s in your nature.
Who did Muhammad (pbuh) attack that had done him no harm? Meanwhile, what had the Canaanites done to harm the Israelites? What warranted their extermination?
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FGM
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Not Islamic. And actually, many Africans Christians also practice it!
“Basically, FGM is a practice limited to certain parts of Africa—and although it’s more common among Muslims than other religions, Christians are pretty close in most countries. As for Britain, its FGM problem is more due to where their African immigrants come from than it is to Islam per se.
Female genital mutilation is a barbaric practice, and Muslims in many countries are far too tolerant of it. Anyone who fights it—as do many feminist NGOs as well as Islamic clergy and scholars—is literally doing God’s work. But it’s uncommon in the heartland of Islam, and in Africa it’s practiced by plenty of Christians too. The only way to represent it as a uniquely Islamic problem is to imply it with a wink and a nudge but without actually producing any evidence” (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/female-genital-mutilation-not-uniquely-muslim-problem).
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Anachronistic use of OT laws of clean and unclean to create a caste system against women and non-Muslims.
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LOL, care to be more specific madman? What kind of caste system? One where women should shut up and submit to their husbands? Oh wait, that’s the Bible. Never mind. 😉
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Divorce by recitation which reduces the woman to a chattel to be disposed of at will.
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LOL, not quite. In a nutshell, here is the Islamic procedure for divorce:
“Due to the financial responsibilities which he has to bear, the right to divorce in Islam is primarily given to the husband. A Muslim who wishes to divorce his wife is therefore advised – in the first instance – to ask for an arbitration meeting, arranged by elders of the couple so that a reconciliation may be reached. If such efforts fail and the man sincerely thinks he cannot live a harmonious life with his wife, he may divorce her either verbally or in writing. In both cases, it is recommended for there to be two witnesses present on the occasion of the pronouncement of such a divorce.
A man should (a) divorce only once and (b) only during the time when his wife is not on her menses and (c) there has been no sexual contact with her since the time of her last menses.
After a divorce is pronounced by a husband, his wife must wait for a given period (‘iddat’). During this period, the wife is allowed to stay in the same house, but they can not have sexual relation amongst them.The man is allowed to take her back either verbally saying “I TAKE YOU BACK“, or physically, by having intimate relation with her. if, after this waiting period, the husband fails to take his wife back, then the wife is completely divorced, and must leave the matrimonial home immediately.
It is also recommended to have two witnesses present in the case, where the husband decides to take back (‘ruju’) his wife, before the end of the iddat.
Where a man has pronounced three divorces, on three different occasions, he can neither take back his former wife, nor remarry her.
The Council issues a divorce certificate on the basis of “talaq nama”, signed by the applicant in the presence of two witnesses. The man is required to pay the dower amount in full to the woman.” (http://www.islamic-sharia.org/talaq/).
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The views expressed by these men are just their opinions which do not have the status of scripture. They have to be measured by scripture.
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Their views were based on scripture! You guys are just too embarrassed to admit that. According to “saint” Augustine:
“What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman… I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”
Where did he get this idea from? Could it be from…oh what was it called? Gen…Gene…Genesis? That’s right, Genesis!
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Chaperoning and restricting the freedom of movement and freedom of association of the female. Making her for all practical purposes a prisoner in her own home.
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LOL, and I suppose Jesus allowed women to frolic around instead of staying at home? You guys really seem to think that a secular mindset is somehow Christian, but it obviously is not. Are you really that embarrassed of your religion?
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And by the way, chaperoning was done for the safety of women. The Prophet once said:
““I will continue to struggle with this mission until a woman can travel (all by herself freely) without any fear for her safety!”” (http://askthescholar.com/AskTheScholar2.aspx?q=332)
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Unequal punishment of the female adulterer \ fornicator :
24 v 2 Yusuf Ali: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
4 v 15 Sahih International: Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women – bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.
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LOL, madman. How stupid are you?
Flogging is the punishment for a man or woman guilty of fornication (i.e. sex outside of marriage). For adultery, it was stoning for both man and woman. The law in 4:15 was abrogated.
Your savior never abrogated stoning or any of the other laws of the Tanakh, despite your claims to the contrary. He urged his followers to follow the Pharisees in obedience to the law. And after Jesus was gone, the apostles also followed the law, even requiring your boy Paul to take the Nazirite vow as a form of repentance!
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4 v 34
(1) Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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Women should be seen not heard: Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 1 Corinthians 14:34
Wives should submit to their husband’s instructions and desires: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Colossians 3:18
In case you missed that submission thing . . . : Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24.
More submission – and childbearing as a form of atonement: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2: 11-15
Women were created for men: For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 1 Corinthians 11:2-10
Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
https://valerietarico.com/2012/03/09/15-bible-texts-reveal-why-gods-own-party-is-at-war-with-women/
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Come over here Faiz and defend the indefensible.
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LOL, why madman? So I expose you again and then you’ll run away like a coward without answering my questions?
As it happens though, I am working on a response to you and your brethren’s idiotic posts. Be patient, madman. Your humiliation will come!
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What happened madman? Why don’t you come on over and avoid answering the tough questions? Why the sudden silence?
Any takers? Erasmus? Madman? Pau…oh wait, never mind about that last one.
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“Marrying a 6 year old girl is pretty high on the list.”
did mother of yhwh pop out 1 person, 2 natures? how old was she? then did 1 person, 2 natures suckle ? did marry ever say that she was suckling yhwh?
all those private moments with marry and your god broke his own laws on adultery. what a shameful abhorrent god seeking pleasure of the flesh through the flesh.
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what a sick 1 person, 2 natures.
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paulus, you have a very shameful god.
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