England chose the Sira, not the Gospel, to confront Hitler.

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Categories: Abdal-Hakim Murad, Christianity, Islam

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  1. Yep, because turning the other cheek would probably not have worked on Hitler!

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  2. It’s so hard to swallow, christians. Right?
    Answer us!

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    • Easy. Yes and no. Weasel Weasel. Jesus lurves you.

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    • Not really, because pacifism is probably a minority position in Christianity.

      But given that the Muslims sided with hitler, does that mean that the sira was used to beat the…sira? LOL silly muslims

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    • Paulus,
      It’s better to tell that to your ” peacful” scripture.
      The fact that christians consistently violate their scripture is not something new.

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    • “Not really, because pacifism is probably a minority position in Christianity.

      But given that the Muslims sided with hitler, does that mean that the sira was used to beat the…sira? LOL silly muslims”

      LOL, silly stupid Cerberus. How did your church fathers feel about military service?

      Which Muslims sided with Hitler? Tell us wise Cerberus.

      Here we go…wait for it…wait for it…

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    • Strange that you want to appeal to the church fathers on this issue, but dismiss them on the trinity.

      About as consistent as a pig as usual.

      P.S see Erasmus below

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    • Oh Cerberus, who do you make me laugh so much?

      You just proved my point you moron! You’re the one who appeal to the church fathers when it suits your purpose, but when their views contradict your own, you throw them under the bus! Consistency and Christianity are polar opposites!

      Still the point stands. The church fathers believed that Christians should not serve in combat. Some scholars believe that the main reason was because serving in the Roman army would have meant offering pagan sacrifices, but some of the fathers clearly believed that Christians could not be involved in any killing. Kind of hard to put that to practice though against someone like Hitler, eh?

      Face it Cerberus. Your savior’s advice to “turn the other cheek” simply does not apply in the real world and you Christians have been forced to ignore that advice more often than not. What would Jesus do? 😉

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  3. When push comes to shove, the Gospel of pacifisim takes a backseat and the fitra kicks in.
    Once the enemy has been destroyed then the halo comes back and talks turn to turning the other cheek and resisting no evil- until the next enemy turns up.

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  4. Nonsense.

    Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

    Thousands of Brits lay down their lives for their friends. Mohammed never taught this sentiment – he taught taking lives for your own personal paradise.

    Plus, the Brits did not behead their vanquished enemies, nor did they take the women and children as slave or sex slaves.

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    • hey piggy, you gonna praise dio?

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    • heathcliff

      LOL!!

      Dio lived a coupe of centuries after jesus. You are a moron.

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    • since you have no chain of transmission to ANYTHING jesus said , then what makes you say that jesus even said what was ATTRIBUTED to him in john 15?

      if dio LIVED after jesus, what makes you think dio heard it from fritians or that his followers picked it up from fristians?

      what does SOMEONE coming AFTER someone prove?
      his ideas had to come from an unknown galilean?

      he could have been using pagan greek philosophers to form his own views independant of any unknown jew in israel.

      i don’t know why you laughed.

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    • “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.”

      only difference is that this came from johns jesus and johns jesus says that one needs to eat meat and drink blood of human jesus otherwise

      “you are condemned already”

      dio does not seem to be requesting any belief in sacrifice.
      so from dios teaching one should risk life even without the knowledge of the one whom life is risked for.

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    • LOL, what a moronic thing to say. There were thousands of Muslims who fought for the British and the French both in WWI and WWII. Not only that, but many Albanian Muslims risked their lives to save Jews from the Nazis.

      Plus, the Brits had embraced secularism, and were no longer being governed by Christianity. I just love it when foolish Christians monkeys like Coco try to take credit for the secular west’s achievements!

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    • qb

      You moron.

      Thousands of muslims sided with and fought for the nazis. There were entire divisions of muslims who were part of the nazi genocide machine – you won’t find a single christian unit who fought for jesus under nazism, thousands of muslims for allah and mohammed. So, what exactly is your stupid point?

      Of course, idiot qb you missed the point of my comment. Paul is claiming some kind adoption of muslim values when Britain opposed hitler – I pointed out that mohammed would have beheaded millions of innocent germans and taken millions of german women as sex slaves. It’s sharia, don’t you know?

      And it is the christian way to lay down your life for a friend – where did your prophet or goat god say that dying to save the lives of your friends is the greatest love of all? That’s right they didn’t. Goat god would have you kill your friends to save your OWN life, particularly if your friend apostatizes, or commits adultery, or turns out to be gay.

      Regardless, to put it as simply as I can for your one and a half brain cells to comprehend, opposing Hitler was more jesus like than false-prophet-mohammed like.

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    • “And it is the christian way to lay down your life for a friend”

      why don’t yo f*ck off to a place where christians are getting “persecuted” and risk your shitty life for them?
      human beings have laid down their life before your god was born . martyrs exist in every religion.
      when did jesus prevent the rape of a woman getting raped by a roman in israel?
      when did jesus prevent the persecution of the jewish people in israel?
      when rome was bitch slapping israel, jesus went around siding with the pagans and cursing out his own brethen.
      the greatest LOVE of all is to prevent the pain and suffering of women and children, yet jesus, your god was busy preparing for becoming a levitical sacrifice. pathetic.
      your god jesus, is about self abuse to oneself, yet others when seeing injustices don’t start cutting themselves, they help out.
      christian way? you should be turning the other cheek and let injustices continue. jesus told you that if you get the shit kicked out of you , do not resist.

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    • LOL, Coco the monkey is trying to rewrite history! The number supporters of the Nazis were Christians you moron! Only a lying monkey like you would lie about something like that!

      https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/protestant-churches-and-nazi-state

      https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

      So my point is that you are an idiot who is only good for a few laughs!

      Muhammad (pbuh) would have beheaded innocent Germans? WRONG! In point of fact, it is your pagan god who would have commanded the killing of German men, women, children, babies, farm animals, pets etc.

      Ironically, the Allies firebombed German cities without any mercy. Thousands died in these bombing campaigns, you moron! Brush up on your history before you open your mouth, silly Coco!

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    • qb

      Of course, moron qb responds with links and not a substantial point and without addressing mine.

      So, let’s try this again idiot, where do your goat god and his “prophet” teach that the greatest love is to lay down your life for others? It’s easy to find the teachings that command murder of vanquished enemies, and enslavement of women and children, now where does your tawheed goat tell us to sacrifice for the sake of those we love?

      Islam teaches that you should sacrifice others to improve your own chances of salvation – that’s why you are commanded to kill apostates, adulterers, and gays. Have you stoned anyone recently? Thrown any gays off a tall building recently?

      It is just like bro Paul stated in the other thread, islam is the religion of human instinct – self-preservation at the cost of other people’s welfare and personal choice, sacrificing others to save yourself, and suppressing “embarrassing” individual choice to maintain your standing in the community. Islam is about fostering base human drives and instincts in this world, but jesus teaches that this world is of satan.

      You do the math – can you do math??? – islam is the religion of base human instinct, christianity is the religion of self-sacrifice for the well-being of others that eschews base human attachment to fleshly pleasures, seeking, instead to prepare man and woman for the purity and pleasure of the world to come. For islam, the satanic earth is the model for heaven, for christians earth is a pale shadow of yahweh’s glory in the world to come.

      You are an idiot.

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    • Lol, still no substantive response from Coco the dancing monkey!

      Who were the number one supporters of the Nazis? Christians. You won’t respond to this point because you are a loser.

      Your silly religion tells you to turn the other cheek but you have found that to be impossible in the real world. It seems your savior’s advice simply has no realistic application. That shows that your religion is a useless, manmade ideology with nothing practical to offer.

      You are an idiot.

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    • “You do the math – can you do math??? – islam is the religion of base human instinct, christianity is the religion of self-sacrifice for the well-being of others that eschews base human attachment to fleshly pleasures,
      seeking, instead to prepare man and woman for the purity and pleasure of the world to come. For islam, the satanic earth is the model for heaven, for christians earth is a pale shadow of yahweh’s glory in the world to come.”

      1. yhwh said the EARTH is good. is it any wonder the hebrews had so many beautiful prostitutes and stealing land from others? yhwh didn’t think earth was satanic when he promised the jews israel, did he? or was israel satan free?

      quote :
      Sahih International: And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”

      jesus krist says, ” my kingdom is not of this world , i want to prepare myself to become a LEVITICAL animal SACRIFICE .let the OPPRESSED continue to be oppressed”

      jesus krist said, “she has done a BEAUTIFUL thing for me”

      fleshly pleasures?

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    • “but jesus teaches that this world is of satan”

      1. are you living in a card board box ?
      2. do you have a bank account like jesus had an account with judas (john 13:29)
      3.do you scavenge from fig trees?
      4. are you homeless?
      5. have you saved money for your FUNERAL ?
      6. do you do your works to be seen by men like jesus recommended you :
      14“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

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    • qb

      I’ll take your subdued comment to mean that you acknowledge your own stupidity on some level. Your goat god commands muslims to sacrifice others for your own salvation – you are simply unable to refute this sad fact so you resort to moronic defiance.

      “Your silly religion tells you to turn the other cheek but you have found that to be impossible in the real world. It seems your savior’s advice simply has no realistic application. That shows that your religion is a useless, manmade ideology with nothing practical to offer.”

      So unbeliebably stupid, ignorant and delusional.

      Where has your worship of a goat god and reverence for a man who drank camel’s piss gotten the muslim world? Islamic countries rank as some of the most impoverished in the world, most ignorant in terms of educational attainment, least scientifically advanced, lowest standards of living, least democratic, most under-developed, and most unjust. You just don’t exist in the real world if you think your stupid faith has something to offer modern humanity.

      Most muslims would have died by now of childhood diseases, infections, and all kinds of long-term wasting diseases if it wasn’t for western science and medicine – often pioneered by christian scientists and medical researchers.

      Sacrificing oneself for others and loving others as you would love yourself are by and far more practical religious teachings than throwing homos off cliffs, stoning adulterers and gouging out the eyes of apostates.

      Stop embarrassing yourself, everyone can see that you are an ignoramus, and stupid.

      So yeah, back to the question at hand – where does your hairy god and his prophet teach that giving your life to save others is the greatest love of all?

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    • “Sacrificing oneself for others and loving others as you would love yourself are by and far more practical religious teachings than throwing homos off cliffs, stoning adulterers and gouging out the eyes of apostates.”

      1. when did jesus prevent the bullying, rape and killing of his jewish people while the pagans occupied jerusalem?
      2. how does doing a SELF abusing VIOLENT act to yourself FIX any problem in the world?
      3. people who go out to war have no choice. either they get KILLED or they themselves fight and live another day so they can fight again.
      4. jesus is only good at GETTING butchered by the pagans . in christian theology WITHOUT the BUTCHERING of jesus , yhwh would be burning everyone in hell. this implies that the SELF abuse was an INTERNAL issue within the trinity.
      5. your religion teaches you that SOMEONE else’ SUFFERING will take away your sins. how? you are still a corrupted christian sinner.
      6.people have sacrifced themselves without even telling others that the sacrifice was made for them. even in the book of isaiah there is not even one mention that one has to BELIEVE the servant was a SUFFERING atonement for sins.
      7.
      http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2009/08/golden-rule-and-christian-apologetics.html

      8.
      why didn’t loving work in the days of the hebrews when the hebrews were told to love god with all their hearts?
      9. how does jesus’ MURDER fix the problem of homsexuality problem in america?
      10. do you love gays?
      11. do you love gays like you love yourself or do you LOVE the commandment of yhwh which says to KILL homosexuals?

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    • heathcliff

      Your prophet drank camel’s urine….

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    • piggy jelly, did i tell you that the jesus of christian is johnny come late?


      For God so loved the world that he did what many other people would have done — only to undo all his good with a much worse act later.”

      http://vridar.org/2015/12/24/so-god-is-only-human/

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    • Coco the dancing monkey still cannot refute the fact that his savior said to turn the other cheek, a command that Christians have basically ignored throughout their history! All the little monkey can do is hurl insults and then redirect to some other topic.

      Coco, pay attention. Your god may have felt that giving one’s life for your friends grand and all, but all that basically means, in the context of turning the other cheek, is to attempt to protect your friends without any violence. Go ahead. I wonder what would have happened if the Europeans tried that approach against Hitler! LOL!!!

      Islam is a far more practical than your silly religion. Your religion places a lot of emphasis on empty statements that have no practical applications in the real world. Islam, on the other hand, is a practical religion.

      To answer your question, there is a hadith that states that one who dies defending one’s family is a martyr:

      “The Prophet (ﷺ) said: He who is killed while protecting his property is a martyr, and he who is killed while defending his family, or his blood, or his religion is a martyr” (Abu Dawud).

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    • quote :

      Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

      end quote

      reply :

      For this reason we have ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it as though he had killed all men. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved the lives of all men.

      note “all men” vs “friends”

      it seems that the ot does not seem to be concerned with what OTHERS can do for you, but what you CAN do for yourself FOR the NEXT world .

      i quote :

      I always laugh when I hear this one, as it seems to be taken as axiomatic that a person cannot effect his own atonement for sin. However this is a fundamental error in theology and it underlies this Christian objection. They believe that the one who has sinned needs someone else who had to be sinless himself to take his sin away. But this is an error. If one steals, he has to pay back what he stole and not someone else. And if he has no money HE is sold into servitude and not someone else. If he kills, it is HIS life that is forfeit. Even if he needs to bring a sacrifice, it is the sinner who pays his money to get the animal. HE must himself bring it to the temple and confess his own sins. No one can do it for him. Every sinner must take an active part in his own atonement process. Everyone has the responsibility of their own sins in this world, and they will be judged for their own sins in the next world.”

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    • qb

      You pathetic brain dead, little man.

      What are you even talking about, poo-brain? Do you even have the sense to track this conversation rationally? What do I need to refute about our Lord, God, and Saviour, Jesus Christ teaching us ti turn the other cheek? Why exactly would I need to refute this?

      Now, be warned, I pretty much know what you are going to say, but I want to laugh at your stupidity when you say it. LOL!!!

      Like I said, islam was practical when people thought it was a great idea to drink camel’s piss, punish dissent, and sleep with nine year old girls, and sniff Aisha’s camel’s poo-poo, but for the modern civilized world that doesn’t want to be dragged back into the disease-ridden, ignorant 7th century superstitions and ways of life aren’t that practical. How many times have you drunk camel’s urine? Or dunked a fly, that has been feeding off of dog’s crap, into your libation to heal yourself?

      I suspect that when you were feeling ill, you chose to go to the western doctor and not do these ignorant and superstitious acts recommended by your prophet. When I say “doctor” I mean a real one with full training in western medicine, all based on the most up to date scientific research that has its roots amongst the christian thinkers and scientists of the past. Alternatively, maybe you actually like the taste of camel’s piss. LOL!!

      Your quote of a stupid hadith says it all…..

      The Prophet said: He who is killed while protecting his property is a martyr, and he who is killed while defending his family, or his blood, or his religion is a martyr

      This is absolutely pathetic poo-brain.

      You had to search the internet for days to find an obscure hadith that comes nowhere near the sentiment of self-sacrifice to save others of christian belief.

      Here’s the full bullshit tradition…

      Whoever is killed protecting his wealth is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his religion is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his life is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his family is a martyr.

      These are the acts of every human on the planet. Pagans will die defending their wealth – classic that muslims would think it amazing to be killed and kill to defend a pot of gold. There is no transcendent ideal of human conduct that elevates human behaviour and thought above that of common animals – no surprise here, though, your god’s oneness can be equaled by a goat. This shows me how little regard your prophet had for human beings, human life and human aspiration.

      By contrast, this is what the true god sounds like….

      Blessed are the poor in spirit,
      for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      4 Blessed are those who mourn,
      for they will be comforted.
      5 Blessed are the meek,
      for they will inherit the earth.
      6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
      for they will be filled.
      7 Blessed are the merciful,
      for they will be shown mercy.
      8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
      for they will see God.
      9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
      for they will be called children of God.
      10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
      for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

      As you can see – but you won’t get it because you are a stupid moron – the Britsh response to hitler and his islamic-style bloodthirstiness is the complete opposite to islam.

      The brits hungered for righteousness, showed mercy to victims of their enemies, as well as to their vanquished enemy, were pure in their heartfelt opposition to tyranny, and were peacemakers.

      This is nowhere near to the teaching of mohammed and your goaty god. You are an idiot who just can’t stop embarrassing himself.

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    • dumb fristian, what is wrong with dying while protecting your house, your money or your business? these are the things which help you help family, the poor , the needy etc
      even the rich man should have kept his wealth so he could CONTINUE to help the needy.

      jebus did not return and fristians like you don’t live in card board boxes. you wash your hands like the pharisees. you take showers. you have bank accounts. you WASTE money on yourselves like jesus wasted it on his funeral.

      how does saying “blessed are the poor” when living like a BUDDIST in your mind WILL NOT FEED THE POOR today?

      how does ALLOWING your self to be BEATEN the shit out of and imagining heaven in your mind SOLVE the problem which is CAUSING poverty?

      jesus FAILED to return and you guys lie about other religions and make GAIN . nabeel made gain as well but the CANCER destroyed him. his gain was brought to 0.

      jesus asked people to look at the bird of heaven and how father who has ONENESS like a goat provides for them . what about birds which have DIED prematurely due to DISEASE and drought?

      jesus didn’t think about that one , did he?

      how did peter who ABANDONED his family HELP the POOR, persecuted and OCCUPIED?

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    • heathcliff

      Hey stupid, where did I say that there was something wrong with defending yourself? You are an idiot.

      I said that even pagans, atheists, and satanists defend what is theirs – in other words, islam promotes a mentality that no different to these other belief systems. Mohammed’s “revelations” from your goat god were no different to normal human behaviour practiced by billions of people worldwide.

      With this in mind, who needs islam when its adherents’ behaviour is merely more of the same paganistic mentality?

      Also, your prophet drank camel’s urine and dunked poo-eating flies in his drinks….

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    • “I said that even pagans, atheists, and satanists defend what is theirs – in other words, ”

      what is wrong with DEFENDING what belongs to one? what is wrong with defending your house /shop from burglars ?

      “islam promotes a mentality that no different to these other belief systems.”

      no you dumb bastard, islam says this world is temporary . it says this world will come to an end. it says again and again REMEMBER this world is not permanent.


      Mohammed’s “revelations” from your goat god were no different to normal human behaviour practiced by billions of people worldwide.”

      dumb BASTARD pig , what is WRONG with DEFENDING what is ours?

      “With this in mind, who needs islam when its adherents’ behaviour is merely more of the same paganistic mentality?”

      dumb BASTARD , outside of new testament, have you looked at pagan mentality?

      did jesus ONLY give you NEGATIVE thought about pagans because of his ETHNOCENTRISM ?


      Also, your prophet drank camel’s urine and dunked poo-eating flies in his drinks….”

      shit head, why did yhwh give his kids command to eat children?

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    • heathcliff

      Did you know…..

      Narrated by Abu Huraira

      And narrated Hamza bin ‘Abdullah: My father said. “During the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go), nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it (urine of the dog.)”

      Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174 :

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  5. Nice picture of Churchill.

    Was he the man who said “no greater retrograde force exists in the world today than islam”?

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    • Yes, and he was also the one who participated in or helped carry out crimes against humanity in such places as India, Afghanistan, Greece and the Middle East. Here are some other Churchill quotes for you:

      1. “All who resist will be killed without quarter” because the Pashtuns need “recognise the superiority of race”.

      2. “We proceeded systematically, village by village, and we destroyed the houses, filled up the wells, blew down the towers, cut down the great shady trees, burned the crops and broke the reservoirs in punitive devastation.” – Churchill on how the British carried on in Afghanistan, and he was only too happy to be part of it.

      3. “I’d rather see them have a good civil war”. – Churchill wishing partition on India

      4. “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”

      5. “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilized tribes… it would spread a lively terror.” – Churchill on the use of gas in the Middle East and India

      6. “We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English”

      7. “I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people [American Indians and Aborigines of Australia] by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place”.

      https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/

      What a great guy, right?

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  6. “Which Muslims sided with Hitler? Tell us wise Cerberus.”

    Mufti of Jerusalem for one. There is a photograph of their meeting. Enough evidence?

    The kingdom of God is not a political kingdom so the gospel is not a political instrument. False dichotomy.

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    • “Mufti of Jerusalem for one. There is a photograph of their meeting. Enough evidence?”
      Christians when say that, they just show us how ignorant they are.

      “The kingdom of God is not a political kingdom”
      When will the day come in which I see christians apply this concept which has never been applied.

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    • LOL, so notice I said “wait for it…wait for it…” I knew some Christian idiot like Ignoramus would mention the Mufti of Jerusalem, and I wasn’t disappointed! The other idiot Ken brought up the mufti just recently and I will answer Ignoramus the same way I answered Ken:

      The idiot [Ignoramus] appeals to the Mufti of Jerusalem for like the 50th time, as if repeating idiotic things makes them more logical. [Ignoramus], didn’t your lying spirit tell you that Christians were the number one supporters of the Nazis?

      The Mufti of Jerusalem had a political reason to side with Germany. He wanted the hated British out of the Holy Land. Since the British were Germany’s enemies, it made strategic sense to ally with the Germans. This was the same reason the British and Americans allied themselves with Stalin. It was an alliance of convenience. They had a common enemy, so they cooperated.

      In any case, the Mufti of Jerusalem was not the emperor of Muslims, you dingbat.

      https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/09/28/sam-shamoun-challenged-to-a-debate-on-jesus/#comment-57668

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    • the British had a political reason to reinstate the nation of Israel and colonise the nations

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    • Stop lying Cerberus. The British had a variety of reasons for their crimes. Politics was just one. They also saw the African and Asian nations as beneath them. They were guided by a racist worldview.

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    • Stop lying Porky The Muslims had a variety of reasons for their crimes. Politics was just one. They also saw the British and Allied nations as beneath them. They were guided by a racist worldview.

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    • Lol, so poor Cerberus got schooled yet again and had to redirect!

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    • Lol, so poor Pork Chop got schooled yet again and had to redirect.

      You make this too easy!! Your comments are so absurd all one needs to do is repeat it back to you to show the hypocrisy lol

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    • Lol, so poor Pork Chop got schooled yet again and had to redirect.

      You make this too easy!! Your comments are so absurd all one needs to do is repeat it back to you to show the hypocrisy lol

      LOL, so poor Cerberus still has no response.

      You make this too easy!! Your comments are so absurd and utterly moronic that all one needs to do is repeat it back to you to show your lunacy, LOL!!

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  7. “when did jesus prevent the rape of a woman getting raped by a roman in israel?”

    Did the romans have sex slaves too?

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  8. [70.28] Surely the chastisement of their Lord is (a thing) not to be felt secure of–
    [70.29] And those who guard their private parts,
    [70.30] Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess– for these surely are not to be blamed,

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    • LOL, madman! What does your Bible mean when it says a woman is “humbled”? Hint: It’s not that she loses her virginity. It’s far worse!

      How many concubines did the ancestor (David) of your savior have? 😉

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  9. “they probably were hunting for beautiful Jewish women , got their heads shaved , nails clipped and then raped them.”

    Where, at Khaybar perhaps? Or somewhere in Medina?

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  10. jelly lol, you gonna be torn tonight . just wait.

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  11. Coco the dancing monkey is evidently a howler monkey!

    “What are you even talking about, poo-brain? Do you even have the sense to track this conversation rationally? What do I need to refute about our Lord, God, and Saviour, Jesus Christ teaching us ti turn the other cheek? Why exactly would I need to refute this?”

    LOL, so we see once again that Coco doesn’t even realize what the topic is! What do you think we have been talking about on this thread, idiot? Why did Britain ignore the command to turn the other cheek and instead opted for armed conflict with Hitler? Your savior commanded you to turn the other cheek! And yet, throughout history, Christians have ignored this and used violence. Let’s play out the scenario:

    Jesus: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

    Christian: Um yeah, you see Jesus, the thing about that is that it’s utterly impractical. You know we love you and all but this advice just doesn’t work in the real world. I mean, what if some European dictator threatens our existence in the future?

    Jesus: Oh don’t worry. There is no future. You see, the world is gonna end in a few years anyway!

    Christian: Oh really? Well then, it’s not a problem. I love you Jesus!

    Jesus: Um…okay. I love you too…(gives awkward look)…

    The rest of your little howling session only further demonstrates how utterly idiotic and ignorant you are!

    “I suspect that when you were feeling ill, you chose to go to the western doctor and not do these ignorant and superstitious acts recommended by your prophet. When I say “doctor” I mean a real one with full training in western medicine, all based on the most up to date scientific research that has its roots amongst the christian thinkers and scientists of the past. Alternatively, maybe you actually like the taste of camel’s piss. LOL!!”

    LOL!!! What a moron! Apparently, you are unaware that even modern medicine uses urine to make…wait for it…wait for it…yep you guessed it! MEDICINE!! From the Smithsonian magazine:

    “Medicines derived from urine can help treat infertility and fight symptoms of menopause. Stem cells harvested from urine have been reprogrammed into neurons and even used to grow human teeth” (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/from-gunpowder-to-teeth-whitener-the-science-behind-historic-uses-of-urine-442390/).

    Also, in medieval times, Europeans used urine to wash their laundry! Imagine that!

    You really are a moron, aren’t you? In ancient times, they didn’t have the luxury of modern medicine. They used whatever they could. And of course, like a typical moron, you ignore the fact that the same hadith which says that urine was mixed in milk as a medicine, also states that the men who were given the medicine recovered from their illness! Coco the howling monkey gets puts in his place yet again!

    “You had to search the internet for days to find an obscure hadith that comes nowhere near the sentiment of self-sacrifice to save others of christian belief.”

    LOL, you still have not proven that your pathetic “sentiment of self-sacrifice” was as revolutionary and new as you make it out to be. Moreover, you have been unable to respond to my point that “self-sacrifice” coupled with “turn the other cheek” essentially forces you to forego the use of violence to save others. You basically have to sacrifice your life needlessly. What a pathetic religion!

    “Here’s the full bullshit tradition…

    Whoever is killed protecting his wealth is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his religion is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his life is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his family is a martyr.

    These are the acts of every human on the planet. Pagans will die defending their wealth – classic that muslims would think it amazing to be killed and kill to defend a pot of gold. There is no transcendent ideal of human conduct that elevates human behaviour and thought above that of common animals – no surprise here, though, your god’s oneness can be equaled by a goat. This shows me how little regard your prophet had for human beings, human life and human aspiration.”

    Um, moron. The hadith says clearly that to die defending your family makes you a martyr. Now keep in mind that this means one is allowed to defend one’s family with violence. This is not like your BS “self-sacrifice” nonsense. This is for the real world. This is fairness. Your stupid religion would force people to give their lives but not lift a finger to save someone else. This shows me how little regard your savior had for human beings, human life and human aspiration! LOL!!!

    As for protecting one’s wealth, as I said, Islam is a practical and rational religion. It’s not like your foolish religion which likes to make useless proverbs but offers nothing for the real world. This is another example of how bankrupt (get it? 😉 ) your religion is. Your savior said that in order to attain the kingdom of God, you needed to give away all your wealth and join him. Christians probably figured it out quite early that this was yet another impractical command. Why don’t you obey your savior. Coco? Give up your wealth and live in poverty if you truly believe. Otherwise, you are just a hypocrite!

    “The brits hungered for righteousness, showed mercy to victims of their enemies, as well as to their vanquished enemy, were pure in their heartfelt opposition to tyranny, and were peacemakers.”

    LOL!!! Now we know for sure that you are just a lying sack of crap! The Brits “hungered for justice”? They “showed mercy to their vanquished enemy”? Oh, is that why they firebombed German cities and killed tens of thousands of people? Is that why they maintained colonies in India and elsewhere and brutally oppressed their people? Shame on you, Coco! Such blatant lies make you truly deserving of where you are eventually gonna go…unless you repent and amend your ways.

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    • qb

      LOL!! Classic moronic reply – a stupid link that doesn’t even support your point? So what if urine has historical uses, poo-brain, all that means is that mohammed was a typical ignorant 7th century nomad. All you’ve done is show that whilst your prophet in his ignorance told people to drink camel’s urine as a cure (for which there is no evidence), it has taken western science and the processes it has developed, and which has its roots in the christian past, to actually derive any meaningful benefits from it. You are so, so, stupid.

      Nowhere in that link does it say that drinking urine is beneficial. Ignoramus.

      “Why did Britain ignore the command to turn the other cheek and instead opted for armed conflict with Hitler?”

      Poor stupid qb. Is or was Britain a “christian”? And did hitler only try to slap britain’s cheek? Does Britain have a cheek? Just how stupid are you?

      “Apparently, you are unaware that even modern medicine uses urine to make…wait for it…wait for it…yep you guessed it! MEDICINE!!”

      You just can’t stop embarrassing yourself. LOL!!

      Mohammed told muslims to drink camel’s urine, not research scientific process to drive benefits from it. He could not do that because he was not a prophet of any all-knowing being (else said being would have told him that drinking camel’s piss is bad for you), but also because he obviously was unable ti reason rationally.

      How does modern science with its roots in christian scientific aspirations of the past help you with the embarrssing fact that your prophet drank a toxic waste product from dirty animals and recommended that other muslims do the same? Why did he cut off the legs and hands, and gouge out the eyes of people who followed his advice? That’s a double whammy of bullshit.

      “LOL, you still have not proven that your pathetic “sentiment of self-sacrifice” was as revolutionary and new as you make it out to be. Moreover, you have been unable to respond to my point that “self-sacrifice” coupled with “turn the other cheek” essentially forces you to forego the use of violence to save others.”

      Your points are stupid and ignorant. Hard to respond when your arguments are based on such a moronic miscomprehension. And I said self-sacrifice to save the lives of others you stupid barely literate idiot.

      Like I said, even pagans, atheists, and satanists defend their property, what makes mohammed’s “revelations” different to what pagans and satanists believe? Oh yeah, I forgot, allah’s oneness and goatness are unique. LOL!!

      “The hadith says clearly that to die defending your family makes you a martyr. Now keep in mind that this means one is allowed to defend one’s family with violence. This is not like your BS “self-sacrifice” nonsense. This is for the real world. This is fairness.”

      This is exactly how all animals behave you imbecile. What’s so special about this teaching? A pig will defend its food scraps and a dog will protect its pack. So what? That’s normal behaviour for animals including humans, how does that make you a martyr? How does that make you anything other than what you already are?

      “Your savior said that in order to attain the kingdom of God, you needed to give away all your wealth and join him.”

      This just shows how ignorant you are. This teaching of the the true god, jesus, tells us that the law is not enough. This means that your stupid sharia won’t help you since, one, pointless and meaningless religious rituals are pointless and meaningless, and performing pagan religious practices like circling a pagan tent, are abhorrent to the lord.

      And yes, you are an idiot. Elsewhere in the NT all it takes for people to been healed by jesus was to believe and have faith – all the rich man had to do was believe in his heart and that would have been enough. Islam makes you dumb.

      “Now we know for sure that you are just a lying sack of crap! The Brits “hungered for justice”? They “showed mercy to their vanquished enemy”? Oh, is that why they firebombed German cities and killed tens of thousands of people? Is that why they maintained colonies in India and elsewhere and brutally oppressed their people? “

      LOL!! Imbecile.

      Where did the brits behead millions of the vanquished and enslave women and children for sex? Oh, they didn’t, that’s islam. Germany and Japan are now two of the most peaceful and prosperous nations ever. As for colonies, why did the ottomans brutally suppress other muslims like the palestinians and arabs on the peninsula? What is your stupid point moron?

      Did you know…..

      Narrated by Abu Huraira

      And narrated Hamza bin ‘Abdullah: My father said. “During the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go), nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it (urine of the dog.)”

      Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174

      WHat’s the deal with urine in islam? The religion of golden showers.

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  12. Coco the dancing, howling monkey keeps embarrassing himself with his childish rants. Maybe I should respond to him in his childish manner:

    Coco, you’re dumb. You’re responses are dumb. Everything you say is dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

    LOL!!

    “LOL!! Classic moronic reply – a stupid link that doesn’t even support your point? So what if urine has historical uses, poo-brain, all that means is that mohammed was a typical ignorant 7th century nomad. All you’ve done is show that whilst your prophet in his ignorance told people to drink camel’s urine as a cure (for which there is no evidence), it has taken western science and the processes it has developed, and which has its roots in the christian past, to actually derive any meaningful benefits from it. You are so, so, stupid.”

    LOL!! Classic moronic reply – a link that shows that all ancient cultures have used urine for various reasons, even in modern times, and Coco the howling monkey thinks it proves nothing!! Your ancestors used to WASH their CLOTHES in urine! Even in modern times, scientists use urine for medicinal purposes, as the article mentioned. Urine is used to make medicine to treat the effects of menopause. Get yourself an education Coco. Look up the medicine PREMARIN. It’s an example of medicine that is commercially available and which is used to treat menopausal symptoms in women. The point is that urine is used medicinally.

    I laughed so hard when I read Coco’s claim that “western science” has its “roots in the Christian past”!!! ROTFL!!! Coco is now a rooster taking credit for the dawn! What are you, a chimera? A monkey and rooster hybrid?

    So dumb Coco. “Western science” actually has its roots in Islamic, Persian, Greek and Indian science. All historians agree that Europe’s contact with Islam allowed for the development of science in Europe. The Renaissance owes its roots to Islam, not Christianity. Don’t be such an idiot! Educate yourself on a little history!

    “Poor stupid qb. Is or was Britain a “christian”? And did hitler only try to slap britain’s cheek? Does Britain have a cheek? Just how stupid are you?”

    Oh my goodness, what an absolute MORON! “Turning the other cheek” is a metaphor you brainless zombie! It means not to fight back when someone is oppressing you! Did everyone just read Coco’s comment? Is this guy for real?

    Britain was a majority Christian nation (it no longer is), even if it was secular. Hitler was trying to invade Britain. According to your savior, Britain should not have fought back. Show me in your Bible where Jesus said that it was okay for Christians to use violence against their oppressors. Answer if you have the guts Coco! Of course, I know you know the answer, but I want to see how you will try to weasel your way out of yet another mess!

    I just love this scenario:

    Jesus: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

    Christian: Um yeah, you see Jesus, the thing about that is that it’s utterly impractical. You know we love you and all but this advice just doesn’t work in the real world. I mean, what if some European dictator threatens our existence in the future?

    Jesus: Oh don’t worry. There is no future. You see, the world is gonna end in a few years anyway!

    Christian: Oh really? Well then, it’s not a problem. I love you Jesus!

    Jesus: Um…okay. I love you too…(gives awkward look)…

    “You just can’t stop embarrassing yourself. LOL!!

    Mohammed told muslims to drink camel’s urine, not research scientific process to drive benefits from it. He could not do that because he was not a prophet of any all-knowing being (else said being would have told him that drinking camel’s piss is bad for you), but also because he obviously was unable ti reason rationally.”

    Coco just can’t stop embarrassing himself. LOL!!!

    Actually, a little bit of camel urine was mixed in milk. And the hadith states that the men who drank it got better. They had to use whatever was available to them as medicine. That is true of all societies before modern medicine. You see, Coco, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a practical man and he encouraged us to be be practical and rational. He encouraged people to seek out medical treatment for their maladies. Not like your New Testament, where every single sick person was somehow “possessed by demons”. An epileptic man? Oh, he must be possessed! A mentally-deranged man? Oh, he must be possessed! LOL!! That’s the “root” of your “western science”? Excuse me while I laugh! LOL!!!

    In modern times, they use urine to make medicine, not merely to “research scientific process to drive benefits from it” (was that English by the way?). Again, look up the medicine Premarin. The name should give you a hint as to where this medicine is derived from. 😉

    “Your points are stupid and ignorant. Hard to respond when your arguments are based on such a moronic miscomprehension. And I said self-sacrifice to save the lives of others you stupid barely literate idiot.”

    Hahaha, this is a typical Cocoesque response! “Your stupid”. LOL!!

    Did you know, Coco, that the early church father prohibited Christians from military service? Why?

    Where is it written in the New Testament that you are allowed to use violence to save others? Come on, Coco. The clock is ticking. The longer you wait, the deeper the hole you are in gets.

    “This is exactly how all animals behave you imbecile. What’s so special about this teaching? A pig will defend its food scraps and a dog will protect its pack. So what? That’s normal behaviour for animals including humans, how does that make you a martyr? How does that make you anything other than what you already are? ”

    LOL, because sacrificing your life for someone is a great deed, you idiot! Animals do it because it’s in their instinct. The survival of their species depends on protecting their young.

    Humans are different, you moron. Animals don’t generally have concepts of “friendship” or “family”. Humans are willing to give their lives for their families and friends. Animals typically will protect their young to the extent that it does not endanger themselves. A mother gazelle will try to protect her offspring from a lion, but only to the point where she will not be eaten. In the natural world, this makes sense because even if the mother saves the offspring but gets eaten herself, what are the chances of the offspring surviving without the mother? Also, if she survives, the mother can mate again and have more offspring. That’s the harsh reality of the animal world. The human world is different. When it comes to protecting our children, we would give our lives because we know that they can still survive without us, due to the immediate family (grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.). No decent human being would think “well, you know, I can still have more children”!

    “This just shows how ignorant you are. This teaching of the the true god, jesus, tells us that the law is not enough. This means that your stupid sharia won’t help you since, one, pointless and meaningless religious rituals are pointless and meaningless, and performing pagan religious practices like circling a pagan tent, are abhorrent to the lord.”

    LOL!!! Apparently, Coco does not want to give away his wealth for his “lord”! What a shock!

    Your savior said to give away your wealth and join him. This is evidently too much to ask for Coco! Here is the conversation between Jesus and Coco:

    Jesus: If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

    Coco: Uh sorry Jesus, but no can do. I value my wealth and just can’t part with it. Besides, your command is impractical.

    Jesus: But don’t you want treasure in heaven?

    Coco: Yeah, but I also want treasure on earth.

    Jesus: Oh…

    “And yes, you are an idiot. Elsewhere in the NT all it takes for people to been healed by jesus was to believe and have faith – all the rich man had to do was believe in his heart and that would have been enough. Islam makes you dumb.”

    LOL!!! Christianity makes you dumb! The rich man asked what he had to do with attain the kingdom of God. Your savior replied that he should keep the commandments. The rich man said that he already did, so Jesus replied that he should give away all his wealth to the poor and then join him.

    Where does it say that all he had to do was “believe”? Your literally pulling things out of rear-end now! Bad monkey! Bad!

    “Where did the brits behead millions of the vanquished and enslave women and children for sex? Oh, they didn’t, that’s islam. Germany and Japan are now two of the most peaceful and prosperous nations ever. As for colonies, why did the ottomans brutally suppress other muslims like the palestinians and arabs on the peninsula? What is your stupid point moron?”

    LOL!! Imbecile!!

    The Brits FIREBOMBED German cities! Do you know what that means, you idiot? They literally burned thousands of people alive!

    And let’s not forget the centuries of oppression they brought on colonized nations. Here is a list of some their crimes against humanity:

    https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/06/12/british-massacres-of-the-20th-century/

    Click on the link, if you dare loser! Or make your usual childish remarks: “You’re stupid. You’re link is stupid. Everything is stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.” LOL!!

    Did you know that the British interfered in Greek elections after WWII and installed a dictatorship there? Why? Because they were opposed to the Communists, even though most Greeks supported the Communists.

    Coco, you’re a lying scumbag for claiming that Britain was “merciful”. Ladies and gentlemen, we have an apologist for crimes against humanity here! I guess its not surprising! You are also an apologist for your god’s bloody genocides against the Canaanites.

    Oh that reminds me…why do you worship a pagan Canaanite deity Coco? Answer the question, if you dare! Hahahahaha!!

    “Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174

    WHat’s the deal with urine in islam? The religion of golden showers.”

    Hahahaha, what a total moron! The hadith says that the dogs used to urinate outside of the mosques. In those days, there were a lot of dogs roaming the streets. It wasn’t always easy to wash the places they had urinated.

    What’s with your religion and demon possession? Why is everything caused by demons?

    “When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”

    17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.”

    Did your god ever consider that maybe the boy simply had seizures, a legitimate medical condition? Many people have seizures. They’re not necessarily possessed by demons! What was that you said about “superstition”? 😉

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    • ” Elsewhere in the NT all it takes for people to been healed by jesus was to believe and have faith – all the rich man had to do was believe in his heart and that would have been enough. Islam makes you dumb.”

      so then why did the leper have to do ritual offer ? what was the point of doing an offering asswipe , if your sacrificed pagan god already did healing and had his sacrifice in mind while performing healing?

      actually the rich man had to live like a homeless guy scavenging from dustbins and fig trees.
      i don’t think he knew about church rituals like eating a humans flesh and blood, the gospel of john wasn’t created then. christianity makes you a spiritual adulterer and a cannibal.

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    • “This teaching of the the true god, jesus, tells us that the law is not enough. This means that your stupid sharia won’t help you since, one, pointless and meaningless religious rituals are pointless and meaningless, and performing pagan religious practices like circling a pagan tent, are abhorrent to the lord.”

      so do you drink blood and eat flesh? do you put your trust in gore porn ritual like whipping and nailing of your god?
      you trust in gore porn rituals?
      if you want gore porn rituals why don’t you watch someone burn or better yet, why don’t you have you abuse yourself like jesus did and endure till the end?

      jesus encourage victimhood in mark 8:34

      now you talk about sharia, i will quote a jew who will reply to you on behalf of laws

      quote :

      Kavi considers the observing of the Sabbath as nothing more than legalism, all form and no substance. Though I am the least capable of writing about Shabbat, I would like to address his view on the matter. (I am least capable, because, as a ben Noach, I do not keep Shabbat.) I plan to write a few pieces on this, hopefully today. This first will be a parable.

      Kavi considers the laws of Shabbat to be empty. He writes disdainfully of those that keep halacha, while praising himself for having the true message of the Sabbath. Those that observe the Torah are self-righteous, but not Kavi, because he is above the law.

      He is like a certain man who did not believe that the laws of the road need be followed. He realized that the laws were generally designed for safety, and he concluded that all that was required was to drive safely.
      One day, as he came into a school zone, he was stopped by a police officer. The man rolled his eyes, wondering for what nonsense he would be harassed. After all, he had not hit anybody or anything with his vehicle. When the police officer approached the vehicle, he was informed that he was doing 35 mph, that he had turned without signaling, that he had not stopped at a stop sign, and that he did not have his seatbelt on, all of which are traffic violations. The man replied that he knows all that. But even though he was in a school zone, the children were far enough from the road that he deemed 35 mph to be a safe speed. When he turned without signaling, he could see that other traffic was far enough away that it would have made no difference to them, which was also the reason he did not stop at the stop sign. And as for the seatbelt, he felt safe enough without it.

      As one might expect, the police officer was surprised by this response. He tried to explain that the man was correct that one should be safety-minded but that these laws were meant to promote not just an attitude of safety but safety itself. He tried to explain also that laws are not accepted individually but apply to a community. When each member of the community follows the same rules of the road, they know what to expect from one another and harmony is promoted. The man was unmoved by the police officer’s response.

      “Legalist!” the motorist shouted. “All you care about is your own self-righteousness! You disgust me!”
      Lest the reader be wondering if the officer let him off with a warning: the driver received a ticket.

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    • “because sacrificing your life for someone is a great deed, you idiot! ”

      the funny part here is that in luke it is written
      “…days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written”

      it seems that healing and getting run over by an on coming train would be far from his pagan gods mind.

      jesus never stopped the rape, murder and killing of jewish women and children which was done by the romans. jesus was busy becoming a levitical animal sacrifice. so ritualistic. so pagan. so temple sacrifice minded.

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    • “The hadith says clearly that to die defending your family makes you a martyr. Now keep in mind that this means one is allowed to defend one’s family with violence. This is not like your BS “self-sacrifice” nonsense. This is for the real world. This is fairness.”

      “This is exactly how all animals behave you imbecile. What’s so special about this teaching? ”

      well , lets use an example, when one of the animals is getting raped, the other animals would watch. jesus told you to do exactly that, watch and let sin go on. on the other hand, the non-christian, will stop the rape of a family member and if he dies as a result of saving ,he would be martyred.

      martyr
      ˈmɑːtə/Submit
      noun
      1.
      a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.

      , “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

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  13. joewy, i asked you repeatedly if you are homeless piece of criminal who lives a life begging and looking at DEAD birds . now i will ask you, if you are true lover of jesus, why don’t you ALLOW people to BEAT the shit out of you with WEAPONS ?

    jesus encouraged victimhood

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    joewy, will you allow yourself to be handed over to be abused and endure till the end ? that’s 2500 years and jesus CONFIRMED he is false prophet.

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