The righteous shall inherit the land (of Paradise)

So who will inherit the kingdom of God? According to Scriptures:

They are the righteous.

There is no need for someone to be killed to be justified before God the most High.

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Tzadiqīm yireshu aretz ve yishkenu la’ad ‘aleyha.

The righteous shall inherit the land, and abide forever in it (Psalms/Tehilim 37:29)

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Wa laqad katabnā fī al-Zabūr min ba’di al-Dzikr, anna al-ardh yaritsuhā ‘ibadiya al-shōlihūn.

And We have already written in the book of Psalms after the [previous] mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants. (Al-Anbiya’ 21:105)

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  1. Let the preaching commence. Quotes from Paul/Hebrews anyone?

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  2. Though I have previously spoke on this issue in a previous posting,there is a misunderstanding by those outside the Christian faith and those that are within it on the distinction between statements of Law and the Message of the Gospel: I am going to shed the historic Christian teaching on this issue:

    The classic work on this understanding can be found here: http://lutherantheology.com/uploads/works/walther/LG/

    When you state: “The righteous shall inherit the land, and abide forever in it” – this is a conditional statement –

    This statement isn’t any different than when Paul says in Rom 2:13 – For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified”

    You must also consider the predicament of men as stated in our Christian Scriptures:

    Romans 3:10 “As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one:
    Psalm 53: 2-3 2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
    3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    and also in Genesis 6:5

    And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually (God makes this statement before the flood and after the flood.

    God Bless

    Jonathan

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    • @Jonathan, Question…what exactly does Romans 3:10 points out to? Did Paul imply that men can’t be righteous?

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    • Thanks Shaaf for your question: the answer is yes, but here is why.

      First paul is quoting from scripture when he begins that statement referencing Psalm 53, which is saying the same thing. Plus read through the entire passage from Paul as I have included below.

      What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

      10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

      11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

      12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

      13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

      14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

      15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

      16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

      17 And the way of peace have they not known:

      18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

      19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

      20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

      21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

      22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

      23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

      Shaad, as you can see, especially from that last verse, we have all fallen short of what is required. ..

      So who is going to stand before a holy God and say they are righteous? Paul makes it clear, we are all guilty before God. Jesus also says in the Scriptures only God is good.

      So who is honestly going to stand before God and declare themselves righteous? It is a fair question.

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful.

      It is obvious that Paul preached a message that contradicted the teaching of prophets of God including prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) which say allegedly sayings as recorded in the Gospels. Such as in Matthew 5, 17‐19:

      “(17) Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the [words of the] prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
      (18) For surely, I say to you, until heaven and earth will pass, not one iota14 or even one tittle15 shall be removed from the Torah until all is fulfilled.
      (19) Therefore, whoever will break one of the least commandments and will teach the people in that fashion, he will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever will practice and teach them, he will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful.

      It is a bit of a stretch to say Ps 53:2-3 anything to do the inherent evil nature human. There, men became filthy out of their free will. In Islam we are told that men are God’s perfect creation only that we are weak (dha’if). Neither is genesis 6:5 suggest that human is always wicked in capable of becoming righteous. Yetzer raʿ  יֵצֶר רַע‎ in Gen 6:5 literally “an adverse inclination”. The yetzer ra is not solely associated to what one would “normally” consider as sin or evil. Anything that we do for ourselves (“self preservation,” as opposed to Godly call) is “driven” by this inclination. This includes “normal” activities such as working for a living, building a shelter, seeking a mate, procreation, etc.  As well as there is an “adverse inclination” man also has a “favourable inclination”, the yetzer tov; יֵצֶר טוב.

      God promises that man’s turning from raʿ will lead to a SAVING event (Job 5:19; Psalms 121:7; Proverbs 19:23). Assurance is added to the promise (Ps 10:6; 23:4) that this salvation is an actual experience of life, which can be tied to commitment (Psalms 119:101; Jeremiah 42:6). And even there is advice on how to keep free from raʿ. A person is told to keep from it (Proverbs 6:24; Isaiah 56:2; Jeremiah 7:6), which may include a strong attitude of hating raʿ (Psalms 97:10; Proverbs 8:13; Amos 5:15). Above all, do not provoke God with idols (Jeremiah 25:7).

      So no no need for any mediator to attain salvation even though we are inclined to sin. Allah made us that way to allow us to exercise free will and choose to become righteous.

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    • Thank you for your Reply Eric Bin Kisam, I do appreciate your response to my comments:

      Now, you quote Jesus saying in Matthew 5:17 that ” Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. –

      The law is quite clear that it requires a blood atonement for In Leviticus 17:11 it says “For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul”

      Did not Abel offer a blood sacrifice unto God as is stated in Genesis (And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering)

      Yet, Cain brought the fruits of the ground (obviously representing the works of Man) and God had not respect to the offering of Cain.

      The entire book of Leviticus (Book 3 of the Torah) is dealing with blood sacrifces for the atonement of sin – they had to do it everyday, Isreal was constantly under the blood.

      This is why in John 1:29 John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

      Paul is completly in agreement with this when he says in Romans 3:24-26

      Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

      The Apostle states :For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

      The Apostle testifies that the law pronounces its sentence of condemnation in order ‘that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God,’ (Rom. 3:19)

      So no need for a mediator? So help me understand your statement: Is not Allah Perfectly Holy – Is Allah going to ignore sin?

      Also, your free will allows you to choose to be righteous – but isn’t it Allahs Will – Are you saying your will is along side Allahs?

      Jesus is clear in the scriptures: Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

      Isaiah states: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images

      God Bless

      Jonathan

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful.

      Jonathan, read carefully, Leviticus 17:11 and Leviticus as a whole has very little to do with sacrifices in order to atone sin. It is about detail how priests officiating at the altar and presiding over rituals of getting closer to God as the root word قربان‎ / קָרְבָּן qorban mean. We dont see any clear relation of this ritual with sin or atoning sin.

      Leviticus 17:11 are dietary prohibition for the Jews TO EAT BLOOD you must include the whole Leviticus 17 into context. The jews were told that blood only purpose is on the altar or to be thrown away into the dirt (Leviticus 17:13). Paul in his teaching in Hebrews distorts this teaching as if only blood atones, when all it says is “don’t eat blood as the only use for it is in sacrifices” in other words “if you can’t sacrifice, throw it in the dirt.”

      The offering described in Leviticus is clearly an kind of worship in order to bring ancient Israelites closer to God as the hebrew (it is the plain meaning of the hebrew קָרְבָּן qorban). Their offerings did not substitute for exchange of sins rather it was an act to please God.

      Allah indeed has always forgiven those who truly repent. Offering is not the same forgiveness of sin as Paul falsely taught. Allah forgives, He really forgives with His abundance Mercy. For us muslims nothing can be more perfect and whole than His forgiveness through his mercy رحمة, and this is why HIS FORGIVENESS bigger than any offering ceremony.

      You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise. [Psalm 51:16-17]

      To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the Eternal than sacrifice. [Proverbs 21:3]

      Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but my ears you have pierced; burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require. [Psalm 40:6]
      He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy. [Proverbs 28:13]

      If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. [2 Chronicles 7:14]

      But if from there you seek the Eternal your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul. [Deuteronomy 4:29]

      He prays to God and finds favor with him, he sees God’s face and shouts for joy; he is restored by God to his righteous state. [Job 33:26]

      Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it. [Psalm 34:14]

      Take words with you and return to the Eternal. Say to him: “Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the bulls of our lips. [Hosea 14:2]

      Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for; through the fear of the Eternal a man avoids evil. [Proverbs 16:6]

      For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings. [Hosea 6:6]

      With what shall I come before the Eternal and bow down before the exalted God? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Eternal be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Eternal require of you? Only to do Justice, and to love Mercy and to walk humbly with your God. [Micah 6:6-8]

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    • Thank you for comments Eric Bin Kisam

      [Eric Bin Kisam said “Offering is not the same forgiveness of sin as Paul falsely taught]

      Eric, you cannot assert what must first be proven:

      It is important to understand that the Apostolic foster churches of St.John in Asia minor accepted the letters and teachings of the Apostle Paul (Peace be upon him). Polycarp bishop of Smyrna is Asia Minor was not only appointed bishop by St John according to Tertullian, but Polycarp refers to a writing of the Apostle Paul as scripture. If Pauls teachings were contradictory – Certainly the Apostle John and his foster churches would have rejected them.

      The historical Aramaic churches accepted Pauls Letters as well of churches as envniced in the Aramiac Peshitta – The churches of North Africa also accepted Pauls 14 letters as cannocial as indicated in the 4th council of Carthage Cannon 24. The succession of Apostlic Churches don’t go through Paul for the Aramiac and North Africa Churches – yet the 14 letters of Paul were accepted.

      [Eric Bin Kisam said “Their offerings did not substitute for exchange of sins rather it was an act to please God. ”

      Eric, You can’t get around Leviticus 17:11

      Leviticus 17:11King James Version (KJV)
      11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul

      Hebrews 10 refutes your prior assertion and supports the passage in Leviticus 17:11

      :For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
      2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
      3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
      4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
      5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
      6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
      7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
      8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
      9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
      10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
      11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
      12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
      13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
      14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
      15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
      16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
      17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
      18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
      19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

      Continued….

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful

      I doubt that so much, that “John” is one of the twelve apostles of Jesus (upon him be peace) who approved Paul letters, all Paul letters are written in Greek while all original apostles, however, were Aramaic-speaking peasants from Galilee who did not speak Greek. The new testament were not written in the aramaic originals, the language of prophet Jesus (pbuh), and the Peshitta gospels are translations of the Greek documents which itself are written by unknown writers not the original apostles (the Hawariyūn as they are called in the holy Qur’an).

      //Eric, You can’t get around Leviticus 17:11

      Leviticus 17:11King James Version (KJV)
      11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul//

      You can not isolate Leviticus out of context, Leviticus 17 is a chapter like a technical manual of how, when and where to slaughter kosher animals (Jesus  (pbuh) was NOT an animal btw)   v 11 is a completion of an idea which begin in v 10 – do not eat the blood of kosher animals thus v 11 is the reason for it

      Leviticus 17:11 does say that the life of the flesh is in blood.   This simply means that it is blood (oxygenated and nutrients, flowing through it) that keeps us alive.    But Leviticus 17:11 must not be read by itself – it is part of a passage which says that Jews are not to eat (drink) the blood of kosher animals (the only animals Jews may eat).   They are forbidden from eating blood – and this message from Leviticus 17 is repeated in many other passages.  Eating blood is abhorrent to God like  in Christian communion.

      Again Leviticus 17:11 are dietary prohibition for the Jews TO EAT BLOOD you must include the whole Leviticus 17 into context.

      Leviticus 3:17

      “’This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.’ “

      Leviticus 7:26

      And wherever you live, you must not eat the blood of any bird or animal.

      Leviticus 7:27

      If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his people.’ “

      Leviticus 17:10-11

      “If any person, whether of the family of Israel or a proselyte who joins them, eats any blood, I will direct My anger against the person who eats blood and cut him off [spiritually] from among his people. This is because the life-force of the flesh is in the blood; and I therefore gave it to you to be [placed] on the altar to atone for your lives. 17:11 It is the blood that atones for a life. . .

      Leviticus 17:12

      Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.”

      Leviticus 17:13

      ” ‘Any Israelite or any alien living among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth’ “

      Leviticus 17:14

      “because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.”

      So Leviticus 17:10-11 tells us that the life force is in the blood, and that the blood of a kosher animal must either be thrown into the dirt (Leviticus 17:13) or placed upon the altar as part of a kosher sacrifice.

      Human blood is NEVER for a sacrifice – the spilling of human blood is also abhorrent to God —> Numbers 35:33;  

      “you shall not corrupt the land in which you live, for the (human) blood corrupts the land, and the blood which is shed in the land cannot be atoned for except through the blood of the one who shed it.”

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful.

      //So no need for a mediator? So help me understand your statement: Is not Allah Perfectly Holy – Is Allah going to ignore sin?//

      From an Islamic standpoint, Allah is merciful Ar-Rahīm, while Allah having the power to to punish us for our sins, Allah is equally able to forgive sins. But the Arabic term Rahīm is not limited to “mercy” as in modern English but more the emotions we call “compassion” or “nurturing love” of a mother toward her children thus the very Arabic term for “womb” ie. rahim رَحِم . When we were kids we did all mischievous acts but Mom would never punished nor hated us.

      //Also, your free will allows you to choose to be righteous – but isn’t it Allahs Will – Are you saying your will is along side Allahs?//

      Allah is all-powerful, and He is all knowing thus He would naturally know everything that happens before they happen by virtue of his all knowing perfect knowledge. Allah does not need to wait until you choose something from your free will for Him to learn about it, He KNOWS what you will do before you even do it because his knowledge is perfect. God knew you would make that action and take that choice before you did either and already recorded it down.

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    • Thanks Jonathan,

      You are correct, Paul certainly quoted from Psalm, but when i read Psalm 14 in context, it apparently seems to point out that God’s people are not included among the unrighteous if we read till v4 & v5…

      KJV Psalm 14:4-5

      ” 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up MY PEOPLE as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

      5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the RIGHTEOUS.”

      I’m not so sure about that to be honest, maybe you can shed some light it mate…

      Anyway there’s another question which pops up, basically when i read about what Paul says in Romans 3:10 i remembered some verses from the Gospels which apparently seems to point out the opposite i.e men can be righteous and there have been righteous men who came on earth…

      Matthew 13:17King James Version (KJV)

      “17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.”

      Matthew 23:35King James Version (KJV)

      “35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”

      Matthew 23:29King James Version (KJV)

      “29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,”

      Can you please shed some light on this as well mate?

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    • Thank you Shaad for your comments,

      I do apologize for not getting back to you sooner, but I do believe there is a time difference between our locations.

      I think it is important to note that Paul is appealing to Scriptural authority as the basis for his argument. For Paul asserts here no truth but what he confirms by the sure testimony of Scripture. Paul states the substance of what the Prophet declares to be in man (Psalm 14), and that is — that none is righteous;

      and Paul then enumerates the effects or fruits of this unrighteousness in the pro-ceeding verses. Paul is clearly speaking to the universal depravity prior to our reconcilation with God through Christ as we see in his letter to the Ephesians 2: 1-3 when he states:

      And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath,

      Though Eric Bin Kisam says this is contrary to Christs teaching, we see in Mark 10:18 that Jesus says ” And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God”

      David in Psalm 51 reflects upon the depraved nature of man in his own person when he states “3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
      Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

      The passage affords a striking testimony in proof of original sin entailed by Adam upon the whole human family. It not only teaches the doctrine, but may assist us in forming a correct idea of it.

      Now Eric Bin Kisam shares a similiar view to the Roman Catholics who also represent original sin as consisting merely in an inclination to that which is evil. The language of David sounds very differently from that of the Roman Catholics and Eric Bin Kisam, I was formed in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. David says nothing of his grosser appetites, but asserts that sin cleaved by nature to every part of him without exception.

      So in Gen 6:5 when God seems to be looking out upon mankind from his throne he states “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually – the imagination, thoughts and heart is the very essence of man, both body and soul has not escaped the corruption that sin has on us.

      Now the means by which we are accounted righteous before God will become quite clear and provide you answers to your citations in Matthew:

      Now Peter responding to the Pharisees in Acts 15 says ” Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

      The fathers of the Oldtestament were accounted righteous before God through faith (Laying hold to the promises of God). For Paul documents this in Hebrews when he says “By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings.

      Let me know if this helps, I am going to respond to Eric Bin Kisam here shortley

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    • With the name of Allah, the Compassionate the Merciful.

      Allow me to respond since Jonathan mention me also

      //Now Eric Bin Kisam shares a similiar view to the Roman Catholics who also represent original sin as consisting merely in an inclination to that which is evil. The language of David sounds very differently from that of the Roman Catholics and Eric Bin Kisam, I was formed in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. David says nothing of his grosser appetites, but asserts that sin cleaved by nature to every part of him without exception.//

      
Although we muslims do not believe prophet David committed sins, the whole chapter Psalm 51 itself destroys the idea of original sin David says Psalm 51:6 “Against You alone have I sinned, and I have done what is evil in Your sight”. If there is such a thing as an “original sin” then David would have said “Against You did Adam sin, I am not to blame for a anything!”  Yet David doesn’t do that. David admits that it was he who sinned, not Adam. David did what was evil in Gd’s sight. David sinned out his conscience and he had the ability to choose good over evil, as do we all. 

      What sin a baby in the womb is capable of?? When David were saying “I was formed in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me” it must be understood as David being accused of the son of adulteress mom based on a some Jewish understanding of Psalm 69. David was a “stranger” (the hebrew word used for “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 is נָכְרִי nakh’riy which also mean “adulteress” —> Proverbs 6:24 ). So David grew up in a family in which he was despised by his community so he was treated with scorn (Psalm 69:7-8). It was the community who assumed that David was full of sin and guilt (Psalm 69:11-12) which is why David says “I was formed in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me”

      Finally the context Psalm 51 is of a prayer of repentance and plea for mercy by David which disprove the concept of the need of human sacrifice for atoning sin.

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    • I thought i made a mistake by reading Psalm 14 instead of 53 but they are apparently pretty similar…

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    • Hi Jonathan thanks for this excellent answer, i will respond to you when i’ve got some free time inshAllah 😉

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    • @Jonathan,

      Yeah infact Mauritius is 9 hours ahead of New York…and no need to apologize by the way 👍

      I would like to respond to your comment since it raise some pretty good questions in my mind but it seems broth

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    • @Jonathan,

      Yeah infact Mauritius is 9 hours ahead of New York…and no need to apologize by the way 👍

      I would like to respond to your points since it raise some pretty good questions in my mind but it seems brother Eric is excited to discuss with you so i’ll come back tomorrow…

      Eric’s a nice guy by the way, he’s kinda like you…intelligent, knowledgeable and a sweet gentleman…

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    • Yes, Eric is really respectable and understands his faith well – I have enjoyed my conversations with him as well.

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    • @Jonathan, there’s an incomplete comment of mine around here, sorry about that…

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    • Good morning Jonathan,

      So you mean that men are not righteous but instead they are MADE righteous through faith (Matthew 6:33)…which i guess points out that men can indeed become righteous…kinda like what Jesus says in the Parable of Sheeps and Goats i.e he calls those who “feeds and cloth” him as “Righteous”(Matthew 25)…i had some points to bring up(relevant to your response) but i’d rather put them another time(maybe), i’m not feeling well today to be honest, there’s a Tropical cyclone and this is the perfect time when all sorts of fever to spread and i guess i’ve been a target..

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    • Thank you for your comments Shaad. I do hope you feel better.

      Shaad stated” So you mean that men are not righteous but instead they are MADE righteous through faith (Matthew 6:33)” Yes, but its the imputed righteousness of Christ – not infused righteousness – this may be a suttle distinction but very important.

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    • @Jonathan, Thanks mate… I’ve really learnt a lot from you 👍 (i should have quoted Romans 4:5 by the way)

      I would like to discuss about the Trinity in the bible with you one day…well that won’t be soon, i’m still learning and i’ve got a lot more to learn, i just can’t simply rely on interpretation to be honest…in fact i’m not even sure if the writers of the Gospel & Paul believed in a “Physical” pre-existence of Christ or not, yeah i know
      Trinitarians would quote John 1:1, Philippians 2 but Socinians made me rethink about it though i don’t have any problem believing in a pre-existence. Jesus as a Muslim…

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  3. Righteous Ones by the tons

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  4. Luke chapter 1:

    In the days of King Herod of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly order of Abijah. His wife was a descendant of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 Both of them were righteous before God, living blamelessly according to all the commandments and regulations of the Lord.

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  5. Sons by tonnes in the Bible.
    Righteous ones by the tonnes in the Bible.
    Lords by tonnes in the Bible.
    Elohim(God) by the tonnes in the Bible i.e. Moses is Elohim.
    No begging no end by tonnes in the Bible.

    Yahweh clearly said He is God and Jesus never said once he is God; why worship him?

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  6. Your problem for muslims is allah has no “B’ that he can say to save you! Yhwh said you must be righteous and PERFECT as I am PERFECT yet he says: Isaiah 64:6 [Full Chapter] We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.

    So who will be that which can save us? Said it in the Names of Adams Descendents in Genesis 5:
    Adam=Man
    Seth=Appointed
    Enosh=Mortal
    Kenan=Sorrow
    Mahalalel=The Blessed God
    Jared=Shall Come Down
    Enoch=Teaching
    Methuselah=His Death Shall Bring
    Lamech=The Despairing
    Noah=Rest, Comfort

    GENESIS 5: HIDDEN GOSPEL: Man is Appointed Mortal Sorrow; But The Blessed God Shall Come Down Teaching that His DEATH Shall Bring The Despairing Comfort

    Genesis 22 God said He WILL PROVIDE in the beginning promised it to Abraham and Fulfilled it in JESUS:

    53 Who has believed our message?
    To whom has the Lord revealed his powerful arm?
    2 My servant grew up in the Lord’s presence like a tender green shoot,
    like a root in dry ground.
    There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance,
    nothing to attract us to him.
    3 He was despised and rejected—
    a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief.
    We turned our backs on him and looked the other way.
    He was despised, and we did not care.
    4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried;
    it was our sorrows[a] that weighed him down.
    And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God,
    a punishment for his own sins!
    5 But he was pierced for our rebellion,
    crushed for our sins.
    He was beaten so we could be whole.
    He was whipped so we could be healed.
    6 All of us, like sheep, have strayed away.
    We have left God’s paths to follow our own.
    Yet the Lord laid on him
    the sins of us all.
    7 He was oppressed and treated harshly,
    yet he never said a word.
    He was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
    And as a sheep is silent before the shearers,
    he did not open his mouth.
    8 Unjustly condemned,
    he was led away.[b]
    No one cared that he died without descendants,
    that his life was cut short in midstream.[c]
    But he was struck down
    for the rebellion of my people.
    9 He had done no wrong
    and had never deceived anyone.
    But he was buried like a criminal;
    he was put in a rich man’s grave.
    10 But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him
    and cause him grief.
    Yet when his life is made an offering for sin,
    he will have many descendants.
    He will enjoy a long life,
    and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands.
    11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
    he will be satisfied.
    And because of his experience,
    my righteous servant will make it possible
    for many to be counted righteous,
    for he will bear all their sins.
    12 I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier,
    because he exposed himself to death.
    He was counted among the rebels.
    He bore the sins of many and interceded for rebels.

    JESUS Said in John 12:23 Jesus replied, “Now the time has come for the Son of Man[l] to enter into his glory. 24 I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat is planted in the soil and dies, it remains alone. But its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives. 25 Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity. 26 Anyone who wants to serve me must follow me, because my servants must be where I am. And the Father will honor anyone who serves me.

    27 “Now my soul is deeply troubled. Should I pray, ‘Father, save me from this hour’? But this is the very reason I came! 28 Father, bring glory to your name.”

    Then a voice spoke from heaven, saying, “I have already brought glory to my name, and I will do so again.” 29 When the crowd heard the voice, some thought it was thunder, while others declared an angel had spoken to him.

    30 Then Jesus told them, “The voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 The time for judging this world has come, when Satan, the ruler of this world, will be cast out. 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.” 33 He said this to indicate how he was going to die.

    34 The crowd responded, “We understood from Scripture that the Messiah would live forever. How can you say the Son of Man will die? Just who is this Son of Man, anyway?”

    This is What MUSLIMS ARE STILL ASKING ABOUT THEIR MESSIAH (ONE WHO SAVES) THEY DONT KNOW!

    Jesus Said about who can be SAVED John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.

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    • //Your problem for muslims is allah has no “B’ that he can say to save you! //

      Not sure what you mean, but in the Qur’an there are numerous verses which guarantee salvation for the righteous:

      This is the one that I remember by heart and I often recite in prayer (as most of muslim klds):

      إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ خَيْرُ الْبَرِيَّةِ

      Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds – those are the best of creatures.

      جَزَاؤُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ جَنَّاتُ عَدْنٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۖ رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لِمَنْ خَشِيَ رَبَّهُ

      Their reward with Allah will be gardens of Eden (Paradise) beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them and they with Him. That is for whoever has feared his Lord.

      //Yhwh said you must be righteous and PERFECT as I am PERFECT//

      None in the scripture YHWH ever said that.

      I show you bible verse in plain, literal language, that affirm who shall be guaranteed salvation:

      The righteous shall inherit the land, and abide forever in it

      End of.

      Genesis 22 is about, testing Abraham’s faith not about prophecy about the Messiah. Besides it can’t be speaking about Jesus of christianity as  it’s clear from the passage that this offering is meant to be a burnt offering and Jesus of christianity was not burnt.

       

       

       

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  7. God makes it ABOUNDANTLY CLEAR WHO IS RIGHTEOUS Jeremiah 23:5 Jeremiah 23:5New Living Translation (NLT)

    5 “For the time is coming,”
    says the Lord,
    “when I will raise up a righteous descendant[a]
    from King David’s line.
    He will be a King who rules with wisdom.
    He will do what is just and right throughout the land.

    He also said that HE could NOT find ANY righteous MAN SO HE HIMSELF CAME:

    The Lord looked and was displeased
    to find there was no justice.
    16 He was amazed to see that no one intervened
    to help the oppressed.
    So he himself stepped in to save them with his strong arm,
    and his justice sustained him.
    17 He put on righteousness as his body armor
    and placed the helmet of salvation on his head.
    He clothed himself with a robe of vengeance
    and wrapped himself in a cloak of divine passion.
    18 He will repay his enemies for their evil deeds.

    Thus Jesus is the STRONG ARM of GOD

    Phil 2:5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

    6 Though he was God,[a]
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
    7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges[b];
    he took the humble position of a slave[c]
    and was born as a human being.
    When he appeared in human form,[d]
    8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
    and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
    9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
    and gave him the name above all other names,
    10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

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    • Pugley,

      Though as a Christian I gladly accept Jeremiah quotation referring to Christ – but some Muslims may use that quote as referring to Muhammad.

      In quoting that scripture I would rule out Muhammed by quoting 1 Chronicles 22 – demonstrating that a man of Blood cannot build a house in the name of God. – This is why David could not build God’s template – For its God speaking to David telling him his son Solomon would build the house because David was a man of Blood.

      1 Chronicles 22 8 But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.

      Also our righteousness is much different than Islam’s understanding of righteousness

      God Bless

      Jonathan

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    • The claim of legitimacy of Jesus Davidic lineage through “non biological” father, Joseph is no stronger than Prophet Muhammad Hashemite lineage whom claim maternal bloodline of priestly Israelite ancestry from the tribe of “the carpenter” / tekton / Banu Najjar / b’ney Naggar בני נגר , a tribe of rabbinic lineage.  Some even postulate that Aminah bint Wahb of banu zuhrah, the mother of the prophet of God Muhammad has actually arabized jewish ancestry (not pagan from pure arab stock)  if that is the case Jeremiah can be more forcefully applied to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

      Interestingly 1 Chronicles 22 :9 reading this verse, one cant left but wonder that this a prophecy befit better to the last Prophet, Muhammad, which brought Peace (Islam=shalom) to the world.

      I will give him rest from all his enemies all around. His name shall be Solomon, for I will give PEACE (שָׁלוֹם) /shalom and quietness שֶׁקֶט /sheqeṭ

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    • Thank you for your reply Eric Bin Kisam

      At that time David had brought peace to Isreal and Jerusalem. He had brought the ark of the convenant from shilo to Jerusalem and was getting materials the temple/house of God (Bethel). When God spoke to him and said you cannot build my house because you are a man of Blood.

      As David wrought peace though his conquests so did Muhammad – yet they are both men of blood through their conquests and what’s being applied to David, is also applied to Muhammad – Let us have no double standards here. That is why I accept the Old Testament Standard that Jesus was a man of Peace like Solomon was.

      God Bless

      Jonathan

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    • Pugley, what i’m about to say is off topic but i think you missed a word in 2:6…”Morphe” aka “Form”…”Though he was in the Form of God”…and if you’ve done enough studies about Philippians 2:6 you would have surely included this word as it changes a lot in terms of understanding and interpretation…just sayin’ ☺

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