Are Humans Sinners By Nature And In The Heart?

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Many Christian missionary’s  often claim:

The problem with Islamic repentance is that it is never sincere, since you don’t believe you are sinners by nature and in the heart – you can never be truly or sincerely penitent / humble, since you think you can by your own power sincerely repent; and that repentance is over individual external actions of sin

Is there truth in this kind of thinking? Are human beings happen to be  to be morally tainted?

The book of Genesis emphasises that man is a free moral agent. God says to Adam’s son Cain:


“If you do well, you will be exalted; but if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door: its desire is for you, but you can master it!” [Gen 4:7]

There is no evidence…

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  1. would the missionaries statement relate to christening or baptising? or perhaps instil this notion or look at it as a defence to questioning over converting infants forcibly? yes it sounds is truth. i have many friends that had been christened and this is what they express when I ask them if they are christian…”we had no choice” AND “no one asked me”

    blessing or christening an infant to repent their sins and believe in Jesus – best they do as they obviously believe an infant is a sinner from they believe this child is NOT a christian before being baptised? perhaps o am the one who is confused

    there is no evidence to their claim.

    we are ALL born of innocence; even christian infants – they should allow children to exercise ‘free will’ – this is the ultimate test of faith.


  2. Not very compelling.

    The proof is in the pudding – do any of us knıw anyone who has not sinned?


    • What do the islamic sources say about jesus sinning? They say no, the bible says no. Only divinity can be without sin.


    • Mary is without sin according to most Christians. Adam didn’t sin either (before he fell). I have met Christians who tell me they no longer sin.


    • “Mary is without sin according to most Christians. Adam didn’t sin either (before he fell). I have met Christians who tell me they no longer sin.”

      I’m not seeing your point here. So Adam did sin? And you’ll have to show me where most christians say mary was sinless, and neither can I respond to anecdotes.


    • you don’t see my point? Oh dear. Its pretty clear.

      The majority of Christians in the world are catholic and consider Mary to be immaculately conceived (ie without sin) – they follow the teachings of the RC Church/Orthodox churches etc.

      Think: before Adam sinned was he God? Of course not.

      You can ignore my personal testimony – I cannot because it happened.

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    • Of course Adam was not god. Have you read or had explained to you the doctrine of original sin and Adam’s role in how it came about?

      I’m still not finding these points compelling – some people say they don’t sin, Mary is considered to be sinless, and Adam didn’t sin until he did?

      How does this confirm or deny sin nature?


    • In the name of Allah,

      In Islam, Prophets of God including Jesus and Muhammad are all infallible great sin Kabaa’ir (كبائر) related to their messages and obedience to commands from God (religious matters) but it did not prevent them to commit small mistakes shoghoo’ir (صغائر) in worldly affair as they are all human. Small mistakes mean unintentional mistake and not to deliberately meant to “sin” or hurt anyone or do bad deeds.

      Even Jesus prayed to the his God to forgive his previous sins in Mathew (Mat 6:12), and he also was baptized by John the Baptist for the remission of sins (Luke 3:3).

      Once Prophets did small mistakes God always corrected and forgive their sins back to the state of sinless / holy. However that does not mean that they are Gods.

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    • Eric

      Where in the quran does it say that Mohammed only made small mistakes and did not commit sins? Mohammed sinning supports the doctrine of sin nature.


    • In the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful

      There is nothing in the Qur’an mentioning that prophet Muhammad did any sin, big or small. What we have is a promise from God command to prophet that he has protected him from past and future sin and bestowed His favor to the Prophet to guide him and his followers to the straight path eternally:

      لِيَغْفِرَ لَكَ اللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِنْ ذَنْبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَاطًا مُسْتَقِيمًا

      “That Allah may forgive thee (لِيَغْفِرَ لَكَ ) thy faults dzanbika (ذَنْبِكَ) of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;” (Holy Quran 48: 2)

      The same way Jesus  prayed to his God for the forgiveness of his faults in in Matthew 6

      In Arabic translation (van Dyke) as follows

      Jesus said:

      أبانا ألذي فى السموات Abānā alladhī fīs samāwāt , My Father who is in Heaven, خبزنا كفافنا

      واعطنا الرزق أليوم khubzanā kafāfanā wa´tinā rizq al yawm , give us provision for today واغفر لنا ذنوبنا waghfir lanā dzunūbanā and forgive our faults  كما نغفر نحن أيضا للمذنبين إلينا kamā naghfiru nahnu aydan lil mudznibīna ilaynā like we forgive those who have wronged against us.


      You see exactly the same arabic word is used for “fault” in Matthew is  “dhanb” ذنب‏ the same  as in the Qur’an.  As I explained earlier  It does mean that prophet of God like Muhammad and Jesus has committed intentional grave “sin” thus makes them a “sinner”. God always guided them and keep them in the state of holiness whenever they made humanly faults.


  3. Hi Paul
    Where do the scriptures say that Mary is without sin?


    • Tenacious and defendchrist

      defendchrist, you did not defend Christ on this one. Where in the Bible did Jesus say “I am God worship me”?

      Where in the scripture does it say Mary sinned?

      Where in the Quran does it say Prophet Mohammed sinned?



    • Hi Intellect

      As always you try to divert away from the issue and that is, is Mary sinless according to scripture?

      I’m not talking about where Jesus asked people to worship him, and if you read the gospels properly you would realise that Jesus character was not like that at all..,wasn’t looking to be worshipped and prove anything to anyone.

      That’s your problem you want Jesus say what you want him to say…

      Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

      Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      Joh 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
      Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
      Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee

      Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
      Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

      Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
      Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

      Jesus does not have to say “worship me” he just has to let you know who he is and that is he is the Son of God.

      You set this criteria out and expect every Christian to go by it, yet for the Koran you can do the same thing.

      And as for Mary she says this…

      Luk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
      Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour

      Mary sings that God is her saviour…if you are without sin you don’t need a saviour.


    • Hi Eric bin Kisam
      I suggest you read the gospels carefully nowhere do we Jesus asking for forgiveness of sins.

      Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
      Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

      Notice that Jesus said “when YE pray” he didn’t say “when WE pray”

      Have a look at Matthew and what he writes…

      Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
      Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
      Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
      Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
      Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

      When thou prayest…but when he pray…after this manner pray YE…

      There is nothing here about Jesus praying for forgiveness that your spin on the text because you want to bring down Jesus to your sinning prophets level.

      So stop blaspheming and read the bible properly.


    • Intellect

      Sura 40-55

      Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours.

      Sura 47-19

      So know (O Muhammad) that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin,

      We know mary sinned because she was human and humans sin.


    • Tenacious

      Do you want me to give you verses from the Bible where Jesus asked for forgiveness? You did not think of that, did you?

      Think before you attack Islam.



    • Tenacious

      You said;
      We know mary sinned because she was human and humans sin.

      I say;
      You forgot Christians say Jesus is 100% man?



    • Intellect

      I attacked Islam?

      You asked me to show you where in the Quran it says mohammed sinned.


    • Intellect

      “I say;
      You forgot Christians say Jesus is 100% man?”

      And he was sinless according to both the quran and Bible. He was unique.


    • it is clearly taught in the Word of God (as understood by Catholics).


    • Where in the bible does it teach the sinlessness of Mary? I know what the Catholics teach but I’m asking you.


    • I suggest you google for an answer dude


    • Dc,

      Here Jesus reportedly said “this is how you should pray: of course it has to be understood that Jesus teaches his followers how they should pray the way Jesus pray …ie to his God

      Our Father in heaven,
      Give us this day our daily bread,
      And forgive us our mistakes,
      as we also have forgiven our wrongdoers;

      Jesus taught them to pray to his God ie the Father /YHWH not to himself and asked for the forgiveness of his mistakes.

      This should not be difficult to understand.

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  4. Tenacious

    Unique and sinless does not make a 100% man a God. Adam is unique because he has no father and no mother.


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  5. defendchrist
    Jesus cried from the cross.
    And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). mark 15:34
    BTW whoever wrote that verse had poor knowledge of Hebrew. The verse Jesus was saying was from psalm 22 “eli eli lama azavtani” it’s a cry to God. “My God My God why have you forsaken me….”
    anyhow, its clear that Jesus has a God and that God can forsake him… to the exstent that he dies helplessly on a cross… he might’ve been many things, that portrait does not look like God to me

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  6. maybe i misuderstood, but it still puts the whole god image in serious doubt


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