The Real God of American Christians?

By their fruit you will recognize them. – Matthew 7:16.

Take a look at a typical American Evangelical’s Facebook profile, what do you see? You’re sure to find pictures of Trump, the American flag, some anti-Muslim memes, Bible quotes and mostly political posts demonizing Muslim-Americans, Democrats and Liberals. See, there is a trend here, today’s Evangelical American Christians worship the state more than they do Jesus. That might seem like a controversial statement, but recently there have been some events that qualify this argument. In responding to a right-wing Evangelical American, Dr. James White says as follows (emphasis mines):

There is FAR more evidence in your own timeline that you have adopted a politically oriented Christianity than there is that I have adopted anything from Islam.

Steve, but when did the gospel become something you only explain to people who look like you and have the same political views?

YQ is a Muslim scholar with a large following and a large impact in the United States and abroad. Hence, when he and I talk, the resultant discussion will be useful to both Christians and Muslims in the United States and in all English speaking locales. What on earth do his political views have to do with it?

And no, Steve, I don’t see almost any concern on the part of my critics, including you, about such things. I see a lot of politics, making America great again, building walls and the like—but I see very little interest in breaking down walls of prejudice and fear and misunderstanding in confidence that what we have to give to the Muslims is the greatest thing in all the world.

Your words are disgusting, Steve. You are speaking as a political zealot, trained in the presidential election of 2015-2016, not as a minister of the gospel.

If you think Dr. White is wrong here for making those statements, then you need to watch the First Baptist Dallas’ “Freedom Sunday” service where they literally idolized and worshiped the American flag. Patheos author Jonathan Aigner, says as follows (emphasis mines):

First Baptist Church in Dallas bowed before a red, white, and blue altar yesterday.

The snare pierces the silence, and the choir and orchestra launch us into the national anthem of American Christianity, which also happens to be the national anthem of the United States.

Our opening hymn proudly proclaims, “You’re a grand old flag, you’re a high-flying flag, and forever in peace may you wave.” (This is idolatry, folks. Nothing short of it.) The fireworks explode (you read that correctly), and audience members wave their miniature flags while singing praises to a red, white, and blue cross.

You read that correctly, American Christians during a Church service…bowed to an altar with the American flag, and in place of singing hymns that traditionally glorify God, they glorified the American flag in God’s place. You’ll notice that the Patheos author literally wrote that he considered the congregation’s actions to be worship, idolatrous worship of the American flag.

Several Churches and Church leaders were very outspoken about the literal replacing of God, for America and American symbols in a Church service, we read from the Christian Post (emphasis mines):

Several critics have denounced the “idolatry” of “Freedom Sunday” worship June 25 at First Baptist Church in Dallas, pastored by Robert Jeffress, who prominently campaigned for Donald Trump during last year’s election.

The critics include Messiah College historian John Fea, a United Methodist pastor, and a Presbyterian church music minister. Click their respective links to read their perspectives, each of which is unique, but all are agreed in accusing First Baptist of “idolatry” for venerating America on “Freedom Sunday” a week before July 4.

A survey by Life Way, a major American Evangelical organization, had this surprising information for us:

lifeway

A Christianity Today article goes on to say about this issue (emphasis mine):

Also worth noting, the same survey found that 53% of Protestant pastors felt that their congregations sometimes love America more than they love God.

Regardless of your view of patriotic worship services, this number should be of concern. (When we love something more than God, the Bible calls that idolatry, and that’s the last thing that Christians should want.)

So, this weekend be sure you love your country and worship God…and never confuse the two.

Back in 2010, other Christian authors began to notice this disturbing trend of American Christianity’s idolatry (emphasis mine):

I’ve been a part of numerous churches that celebrated American Independence Day with abandon: 80-foot flags hanging from the ceilings, singing the “Star Spangled Banner” and “I’m Proud to Be an American” and even— most disturbing to me as I reflect back—saying the Pledge of Allegiance during our corporate worship.

If some visitor had asked us on those Sunday just what we were worshiping, I think that might have been a very perceptive question.

Going back to Dr. James White, I noticed that folks like David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Usama Dakdok and Robert Spencer also worship America, more than they do Jesus. See, following Dr. White’s dialogue with Dr. Yasir Qadhi, Sam Shamoun went on a rampage against Dr. James White. What I quickly realised was that White was attacked for three things:

  1. Ecumenicalism (accepting some Islamic beliefs, which was a false accusation).
  2. Inviting a Muslim into a Church to speak without rebuttal (it was a dialogue about differences in beliefs).
  3. Associating with a Muslim that has ties to major American Muslim organizations.

Here’s the problem, as Dr. White himself said, many Christians chose to politicize the issue. Qadhi was labelled as a terrorist, a jihadist, someone who wants to install Shari’ah law, that he worked with extremist organizations, that in the past before changing his views he had said bad things about non-Muslims…and on and on. You may think that their issue with Dr. White was theological, but then why speak about terrorism and terrorists? Why speak about Qadhi’s association with CAIR (a Muslim-American advocacy group)? Why association Dr. Qadhi and Dr. White with liberalism and liberal political ideologies? See, while on the surface they claimed (falsely) that the disagreement with the dialogue that Dr. Qadhi and Dr. White had, was theological, it was clearly political.

Where did any of these guys speak out against the “Freedom Sunday” worship?

Where did any of these “Christian apologists” speak a single word against replacing a hymn meant to glorify God, with a song glorifying the state?

Where did any of these guys speak out when the Bible Answers Man, Hank Hanegraaff converted from Protestantism to the Greek Orthodox Church that has distinctly heretical teachings about the nature of Jesus, the nature of Mary and how salvation is attained?

Where did any of these guys speak about against ABN/ Trinity Channel for preaching false doctrines and for promoting the heretical prosperity gospel? Sam Shamoun, the genius he is, made one single Facebook post about ABN, but spent 10 months, every other day, attacking Dr. White for his dialogue with Dr. Qadhi! Where is the consistency?

By their very actions, the things that they occupy themselves with, are not theological but political.

In other words, it is clear that American Christians have a new God and it is not Jesus. The Orthodox Church of America has been founded, its God, the State (and its symbols, such as the flag and anthem), its disciples, politicized Christians such as David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Usama Dakdok and Robert Spencer.

By their fruits we now know who they worship and the State is their new God.

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17 replies

  1. In addition to the very political nature of the attacks on Dr. White is the anti-Calvinist sentiment in many of the attackers. Brannon Howse will use any opportunity to try to diminish the doctrines of grace in the eyes of his followers, and any collateral damage is justified in his eyes. There is a theological aspect to all of this.

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  2. It is a very grave and serious weakness of so many conservative American Christians, who think that politics and security comes before the gospel of Christ and before Giving God glory through holiness, evangelism, and missions.

    Shades of Jesus warning to the church at Ephesus in Revelation 2:1-7 are upon us.

    “I have this against you, you have left your FIRST LOVE . . . repent therefore . . . ” Revelation 2:4-5

    I am totally behind Dr. White and his efforts to reach out to Muslims in the proper methods.

    I am amazed at the bad and wooden interpretations and unhinged responses that Brannon Howse, Dakdok, Shahram Hadian, Sam Shamoun, James Simpson, and their followers make of 2 John 10-11 and other passages.

    See a more exegetical view of 2 John 9-11 –
    https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/2-john-9-11-in-light-of-the-controversy-over-dr-whites-outreach-to-muslims/

    I was shocked at Pastor Steve Camp’s (the one who Dr. White is responding to in your post) early and un-qualified support for Trump; same for Robert Jeffress, and Jerry Falwell, Jr. ( Falwell, jr., early on, even said that Trump bore the fruit of a Christian” – what a nut!!)

    It is ok to be patriotic, as long as that is secondary to the Kingdom of God and Christ; and not part of worship services, etc. but you are correct that this stuff makes conservative Christians look like they are committing idolatry. (some are, but some are not; and some are just not thinking consistently)

    This overall controversy is a very bad witness to Muslims. Sorry that you guys are not getting much good witness – except Dr. White and a few others; and I hope my little efforts, are a light that shines the truth to you all.

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  3. The atheists in the “Young Turks” show are using anything and calling it “Christian” as part of their agenda, and their constant use of the “F” word is disgusting and immoral.

    Whatever the dropping of the atom bombs were on Japan, since it happened God allowed it. Islam also teaches this in qadha قضا and qadar قدر and Jabr جبر

    Paul Williams even tweeted to this article that includes the 6th pillar of Islamic belief – that everything that happens is by the permission of Allah.

    Islam for Kids; The Six Pillars of Iman https://t.co/lEJDOIbSnT— Paul Williams (@mimimw12345) July 15, 2017

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    • You just avoided answering regardless your misunderstanding of Islamic teaching about Qadr as your comment shows.
      Are you saying that you agree with James & Mike?

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  4. I don’t know why embedding a tweet also gives lots of widget and code, etc.

    Otherwise, patriotic things are ok, as long as they are secondary and the churches don’t commit idolatry. There is nothing wrong with self-defense or just war principles, but they are never fully just or holy.

    Only God is fully just and holy.

    Only when Christ returns will there be a totally just war.

    Revelation 19:11

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness (Justice) He judges and wages war.

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  5. Reblogged this on Apologetics and Agape and commented:
    This is the overall impression that Muslims have of conservative patriotic political Christians, who are putting patriotism and politics above the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is nothing wrong with patriotism or just war principles or self-defense, as long as it comes secondary to the gospel and the Kingdom of God. The controversy around Dr. James R. White and his dialogue with Dr. Yasir Qadhi, and the response of so many conservative Christians, is giving a bad witness to Muslims. Dr. White has done an excellent job of defending the gospel, proclaiming the gospel and obeying 1 Peter 3:15 (apologetics with gentleness and respect) and Titus 2:9 “adorning the doctrine of God our Savior”.

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    • If the evidence of the Trinitarian position from bible could be better explained by Unitarianism, would you abandon your doctrine? And would you like to debate a Muslim debater on this subject? Are you a Pastor and how old are you? What if you are wrong on this issue sir? Thanks

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    • I am an ordained minister, with a Master of Divinity from Columbia Biblical Seminary (Columbia, SC) and 56 years old and have ministered to all kinds of Muslims for the last 34 years. I first met many Muslims in Columbia, SC in 1983-1985 and beyond, playing soccer (“the true football”), visiting in homes, eating wonderful food from all kinds of countries, etc. Dearborn Michigan in 1985 and New York City in 1986 – (Arabs from most every country of the Arabic speaking world, except Saudis would unwilling to talk; but most all were willing and Pakistanis, Africans, Asians – Indians, Indonesia, etc.
      – most was one on one and in small family settings in homes in an atmosphere of hospitality. Muslims are great at hospitality and I love their culture of hospitality and great food and family values, etc. We have also ministered to many Iranians in the USA from 1996 onward, and many other kinds of Muslims all over the USA – from 1983-1992 and from 1993 to today – learned Farsi and can explain the Trinity and deeper concepts in the Farsi language. Because of that; I can recognize the Arabic words that are in Farsi (35-40 % of Farsi (and Turkish, they say) is from Arabic) – in Qur’an and Hadith and discussions.

      Unitarianism is wrong. Trinitarian Monotheism is the true doctrine. Dr. White’s book The Forgotten Trinity; or Robert Bowman, “Why You Should believe in the Trinity”, are good books for you to study.

      I have never done formal debates before like Dr. White, etc. Maybe, Enshallah (God willing) in the future.

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    • Ken Temple

      You said;

      Unitarianism is wrong. Trinitarian Monotheism is the true doctrine. Dr. White’s book The Forgotten Trinity; or Robert Bowman, “Why You Should believe in the Trinity”, are good books for you to study.

      I say;
      Find below some Biblical verses that clearly said God is ONE, ONLY AND ALONE. No single 3, 3 in 1, Trinity, Triune, God-Man etc.

      “there is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10
      “Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
      “Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
      “See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
      “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
      “You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
      “For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
      “Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
      “You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
      “O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
      “You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
      “For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
      “You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
      “Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10

      Jesus said;

      John 17:3

      New International Version
      Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

      New Living Translation
      And this is the way to have eternal life–to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

      English Standard Version
      And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

      Reverend Ken Temple, We, the Jews, Unitarian Christians, the Muslims and all who worship the ONLY TRUE God of Jesus, Abraham, Mohammed and all prophets of the old testament, are worhiping the Unitarian God is is clearly stated in the above Biblical verses including what Jesus said.

      You Ken on the other hand believed God can become His creation i.e. man like idol worshipers and Hindus who believed God can become man, monkey, snake(voodoo) etc.

      We believed that anyone who believed like how we believe, even if he is not a Muslim like Jews and Unitarian Christians are worshiping the same God with us. They believed God cannot become His creations and so they are like us when it comes to the God of Abraham.

      You believed God can become His creations like Hindus monkey, cow and elephant gods. Your thinking of who God is, is idolatry. It is not in the Bible.

      I am able to provide a lot of versus from the Bible including from the mouth of Jesus Christ that God is One, and the Only True God. I have more to provide upon request. Why God is one, only and alone in several verses? Because that is the salvation and God wants us to know it very well.

      Give me one verse from the Bible, that is says “God is 3 Persons/persons 1 God. If you failed, then you are in the wrong path.

      Thanks.

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    • Ken Temple

      You said;

      Unitarianism is wrong. Trinitarian Monotheism is the true doctrine. Dr. White’s book The Forgotten Trinity; or Robert Bowman, “Why You Should believe in the Trinity”, are good books for you to study.

      I say;
      “Trinitarian Monotheism” is oxymoron. It is like “triangle angle”, “square circle”, “married bachelor”, “God Man” “Cow God”- for the Hindus etc.

      Tri means 3 as from Trinity.

      Mono means 1 as in Monotheism.

      Quad means 4 as in Quad Core processor.

      It is oxymoron to say “tri mono” as you did above.

      When you buy a Quad Core Computer, it is oxymoron to say your computer is “dual quad” core when the processor is only quad core stated by the manufacturers.

      God said He is one, only and alone, therefore God cannot be “trinitarian monontheism” God which is oxymoron, polytheism and idolatry.

      Most idol worshipers believe in one God like you Ken, but you all add other things to that one God and that is polytheism and idol worship. Abraham, Moses, Solomon etc. never worship Jesus or any other thing. When Moses left his people to meet God, his people worshiped golden calf and Moses was very angry when He returned.

      Moses did not tell his people after his return that God can only become Jesus but he said no image of anything should be worshiped. So worshiping Jesus is polytheism.

      Thanks.

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  6. This statedolatry explains the insistence of far-right Christians that Muslims should be required to make a pledge of loyalty to the constitution of the state and denounce sharia.

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    • Even though I disagree with political Christians who put patriotism before the gospel; I also don’t think Sharia is good nor compatible with the US Constitution nor democracy; and the law enforcement entities have every right to investigate ties to Muslim Brotherhood type “civilizational Jihad” ties and Christians and politicians should know enough to recognize radical Islamic ideology vs. mainstream Islam.

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    • Muslims also has the right to know those Christians who vote for people like President Bush and Donald Trump to take war in Muslim majority countries to cause chaos and refugee camps for those Christians to preach the gospel to children and women in hardship rather than go there without war to preach their gospels.

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  7. Umm, Islam is a religion, not a nation, country or ethnicity. Why do you cucks think the United States should look like the United Nations? Don’t other people have their own countries? Worry about your own idolatry, not other peoples. Churchianity is obsessed with virtue signaling, not virtue.

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